4ad

[Baddogg]

I am going to run a 3-4 week cycle of only 4ad androspray (8 sprays). I have some vitex but I am not sure how much to take and if I should take it during and/or post cycle. thanks

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

You shouldn't have too much natural suppression from andro spray by itself, but 1000-1500mg a day is a good dose (split into 3). This would be a good amount even if the 1-AD was included in your cycle.

 

[riskybizz007]

Isn't Vitex useless w/ estrogen? I thought it lowered prolactin levels so it could possibly work w/ fina, deca, etc. but not test which would convert to estrogen. Am i missing something here?

 

[Baddogg]

thanks guys....I have some macca for post cycle. I am not sure how vitex works, But if there is something better please tell me (if it is Legal).

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Isn't Vitex useless w/ estrogen? I thought it lowered prolactin levels so it could possibly work w/ fina, deca, etc. but not test which would convert to estrogen. Am i missing something here?

As far as what would help that is legal, this is my opinion based on feedback. Maca is probably second and tribulus only helps you get a boner (not that that's a bad thing) .

I've never really looked at how vitex works. There's never been much need or interest for a legal anti-e until recently when the OTC stuff has caught up to the real gear (with the intro of 1-AD).

If were to do tren or deca as you mentioned, then I wouldn't trust vitex. Then again, I just need to read up on it before judging it in that situation.

 

[Baddogg]

so is vitex effective with 4ad?

 

[Baddogg]

bump

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

Vitex is useless with 4-AD. Vitex will suppress prolactin levels. Prolactin is the hormone in women that causes them to lactate, (and yes, guys on deca durabolin can also lactate as well). Prolactin in men is thought to cause impoptence, this is why most people get "Deca dick" (also with fina too). Not to mention the fact that fina and Deca both attach to the AR receptors very well, but are week androgens.

4-AD will convert to testosterone (i think) in your body. So the only thing you will need to worry about is estrogen related gynomastia (sp?). You can avoid post cycle gyno by using clomid, M, or the new stuff Pat (ergopharm genius, ok, im kissin ass now) is coming out with. I personaly obtained clomid for my post 1-ad and boldione cycle. An anti-e will not only keep you from getting unwanted estrogen related sides, but it also help you maintain your gains.

Ross

Karma is appreciated....

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Vitex is useless with 4-AD...

You can avoid post cycle gyno by using clomid, M

Isn't M's main ingredient vitex?

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

i dunno, lemme check.

Ross