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Gains from 1000 mg test a week??

I have a buddy who took 1g test with 400mg deca for 20 weeks and got no gains at all, actually all he did was loose weight. guess it helps if you actually workout. but some people are just not motivated. what can you do.?
 
I have a buddy who took 1g test with 400mg deca for 20 weeks and got no gains at all, actually all he did was loose weight. guess it helps if you actually workout. but some people are just not motivated. what can you do.?

what a fucking waste thats two very good 10 week cycles
 
I have a buddy who took 1g test with 400mg deca for 20 weeks and got no gains at all, actually all he did was loose weight. guess it helps if you actually workout. but some people are just not motivated. what can you do.?

Guy sounds like a douche and an idiot who likes wasting that much money. Before I started deca (my first gear I ever did) I never worked out, much. Deca made me work every day and motivated to. You're friend must got fake gear or be a lazy dick.
 
Here's something I found the other while searching about pro cycles. This is a pre-contest cycle, so I'm sure a bulking phase would be much different. Doesn't do alot of test, but does about 2,000mg of different substances by the end. Kinda long, but interesting:

The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder
As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).
Week 14
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 13
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 12
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 11
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 10
200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 9
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

Week 8
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
3 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

Week 7
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
4 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

Week 6
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*

Week 5
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*

Week 4
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

Week 3
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

Week 2
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg/day mesterolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
100 mg/day Testosterone suspension
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week
100 mg/day mesterolone
100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*
Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*​
 
Honestly, to me these dosages seem really low for a pro, but maybe it's because it is a pre-contest cycle. I know guys that do 2,500mg/wk of test that are just ham and eggers
 
You guys that think you know what pros use are dillusional. You really think pros are gonna lay out there cycles for the public? Hey look at me I use steroids and abuse them to be a pro body builder!!!! Give me a break. You don turn into a freak off 2000 mg cycles.
Oh but Arnold only did dbol and primo blah blah , fuck that until them words come ou his mouth it's bullshit.
 
You guys that think you know what pros use are dillusional. You really think pros are gonna lay out there cycles for the public? Hey look at me I use steroids and abuse them to be a pro body builder!!!! Give me a break. You don turn into a freak off 2000 mg cycles.
Oh but Arnold only did dbol and primo blah blah , fuck that until them words come ou his mouth it's bullshit.


True to an extent. But dude, I've worked with pros and most have been pretty
candid with me.

LET ME TELL EVERYBODY SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT WANT TO HEAR!!!

Some of you go on and on about how the pros use so much. You really don't know what you're talking about. These guys aren't pros because they take more juice than everyone else. They're pros because they've got INSANE GENETICS. And the best of the best have a great affinity for acceptance of steroids.

I've had pros tell me they'll do up to 2 grams and felt the extra 1000mgs did nothing. It ws "insurence." That's STILL less than some wanker on a message board. And that's the guy who always squawks; Ah, the pros do more than I can afford. Or, (this one I love)... I can't believe Scott and Oliva and Draper only did 20 mgs of dball a day.

Yeah, because THEY'RE good. YOU suck.

Drugs add another 10% you can not get otherwise. But 10% of mediocre will still be pretty mediocre. 10% of magnificent will look ungodly.

Genetics, training, drugs. In that order. (Diet is important too but nobody ever became a champion by eating well).


I'll bet 75% of the guys on boards never trained a day in their life as hard as the old timers trained every day. Do THAT, and then bitch about not being able to make gains without a gram of gear.


So stop with this "OH I DON'T BELIEVE THAT"S ALL ARNOLD DID" bullshit. Because the fact of the matter is, you can do TEN grams a week, and you STILL won't look like Arnold. Or even a top 10 at a amateur contest. Not even close.
 
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