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*MODS I understand this belongs on the Diet and Supplement board but that doesn't get much traffic. I just ask this stays here for a day or two to lend to a better understanding of steroids and other popular supplements*
-Disclaimer- I have a better than average "Joe Schmoe Off The Street" knowledge of steroids (learned here) but I don't know everything and may actually be wildly fucked up in some cases.
In my opinion (since I don't have any facts), the test knock off prohormones like Andro don't work. I used it once bit before I knew much and didn't gain anything on it. But that could also be blamed on my diet and training. I later did 7 weeks of sust and gained 11 lbs of ripped muscle, but my diet and training were also top notch by then.
Anyway, I guess I'm a bit confused as to which prohormones work, if any and why/why not. The science sounds resonable to a degree but I'm a bit confused on a couple of points.
Most steroids are injected, bypassing the liver and entering the bloodstream unaltered. Prohormones, at least the ones I've heard about, are taken orally. Somehow they are suppose to be altered in the body to become true steroids. But if this change takes place in the liver, then wouldn't the liver continue breaking them down all the way until they were as useless as a real steroid taken orally?
There are only 3 steroids I can think of off the top of my head that are taken orally; D-Bol, Ox and Winny. Winstrol is broken down somewhat in the liver but can be injected and is more potent if done so, lending to lower dosages. I have no idea if D-Bol and Ox are broken down in the liver but I don't think they are to any large extent. I seem to remember that they were designed so the liver didn't affect them so injections were unnecessary. SO my assumption would be that if a prohormone were to be viable, it would have to be based on 1 of these substances. I would also have to assume that any pure Testosterone derivitive would be useless taken orally.
NOW one of the things I've heard discussed on this board is that prohormones compared to "real" steroids give all the same side effects but none of the benefits. I don't understand the logic behind that at all. If they're crap, I'd expect no, or totally different side effects.
I was scaning the new ESPN magazine (I think that's the one) and it discussed what athletes are using and how they're getting around the rules. One section I scanned talked about Bill Llewlyn and his work with prohormones. The one I remember them discussing was (I think) Eq. I thought that was an injected steroid. If it is, how could it be taken orally?
Are there any prohormones that work anywhere near "as advertised"? If so, I'd expect to have to take some Liquidex with Andro or 19-Norandro.
Could the claims for products based on D-Bol, Ox and Winstrol be true since these are oral steroids anyway?
If these prohormones do work, how do they use the liver to their benefit (altering into steroids) and then exit the liver without being further broken down?
And lastly, who has used prohormones as well as real steroids and can offer their own opinions?
-Disclaimer- I have a better than average "Joe Schmoe Off The Street" knowledge of steroids (learned here) but I don't know everything and may actually be wildly fucked up in some cases.
In my opinion (since I don't have any facts), the test knock off prohormones like Andro don't work. I used it once bit before I knew much and didn't gain anything on it. But that could also be blamed on my diet and training. I later did 7 weeks of sust and gained 11 lbs of ripped muscle, but my diet and training were also top notch by then.
Anyway, I guess I'm a bit confused as to which prohormones work, if any and why/why not. The science sounds resonable to a degree but I'm a bit confused on a couple of points.
Most steroids are injected, bypassing the liver and entering the bloodstream unaltered. Prohormones, at least the ones I've heard about, are taken orally. Somehow they are suppose to be altered in the body to become true steroids. But if this change takes place in the liver, then wouldn't the liver continue breaking them down all the way until they were as useless as a real steroid taken orally?
There are only 3 steroids I can think of off the top of my head that are taken orally; D-Bol, Ox and Winny. Winstrol is broken down somewhat in the liver but can be injected and is more potent if done so, lending to lower dosages. I have no idea if D-Bol and Ox are broken down in the liver but I don't think they are to any large extent. I seem to remember that they were designed so the liver didn't affect them so injections were unnecessary. SO my assumption would be that if a prohormone were to be viable, it would have to be based on 1 of these substances. I would also have to assume that any pure Testosterone derivitive would be useless taken orally.
NOW one of the things I've heard discussed on this board is that prohormones compared to "real" steroids give all the same side effects but none of the benefits. I don't understand the logic behind that at all. If they're crap, I'd expect no, or totally different side effects.
I was scaning the new ESPN magazine (I think that's the one) and it discussed what athletes are using and how they're getting around the rules. One section I scanned talked about Bill Llewlyn and his work with prohormones. The one I remember them discussing was (I think) Eq. I thought that was an injected steroid. If it is, how could it be taken orally?
Are there any prohormones that work anywhere near "as advertised"? If so, I'd expect to have to take some Liquidex with Andro or 19-Norandro.
Could the claims for products based on D-Bol, Ox and Winstrol be true since these are oral steroids anyway?
If these prohormones do work, how do they use the liver to their benefit (altering into steroids) and then exit the liver without being further broken down?
And lastly, who has used prohormones as well as real steroids and can offer their own opinions?
