The Myth of Deca Durabolin and Finasteride (VERY IMPORTANT)

[Magick69]

Hi Guys,

yesterday i decided to send an email to one of the most important MD expert in the US about hairloss (they are 3 and all are very good and expreinced in this field with bodybuilders). And asked about the combo deca-finasteride i am pasting the email I bet my reputation on this answer and after this i will try the cycle Deca-fina without worries (at least from the hairside). In May i will start a cycle and will test this myth...hope i have been useful for the bros like me that have problems with the hair

the email:

Hi Dr. X

i started to take care of my hair when i was 20 (now i am 37) and i was diagnosed with alopecia androgenetic by a well known xxxx dematologist. since then i manage with best doctors and products to maintain all my hair.

Now, i decided to do a cycle of Deca durabolin (nandrolone-NPP)at 200/300 mg per week for 8-9 weeks. I stress that here in the UK the personal use of steroids is perfectly legal.


Your genetic disposition is the most important factor in MPB, and Deca durabolin (nandrolone) can exacerbate it if you have a genetic predisposition for MPB.

I have read that the use of finasteride (which i do) and nandrolone would cause hairloss; so i would like to know , if possible,
do you think is a myth in your experience the negative interaction of nandrolone/finasteride ?

It is a myth. If you are going to be taking steroids, there will be an increase in the serum level of testosterone. However, you will be relieved to know that the increased testosterone does not necessarily exacerbate MPB in all patients.
It would be wise to decrease the DHT and that would be fairly simple. I think that the best single product for preventing and reversing MPB is 5% minoxidil / 5% azelaic acid promotes hair growth and prevents the synthesis of DHT in the scalp. The alternative is for you to take finasteride (Propecia or quartered tablets of Proscar). I would still suggest using 5% minoxidil with finasteride because the effects of the two medications are additive and complementary. Perhaps, the most effective medication to decrease both the amount and the effect of DHT in the scalp would be topical spironolactone. There are three distinct benefits of topical spironolactone in the treatment of MPB. (1). Spironolactone significantly reduces the amount of DHT in the scalp by inhibiting the conversion of precursor steroids to DHT. (2). Spironolactone reduces the DHT in the scalp by converting localized testosterone into estrogen, which is thought to be protective of the hair follicles. (3). Spironolactone blocks the follicular androgen receptor sites, thereby rendering any residual or circulating DHT harmless to the hair follicles. Rather than reducing the levels of circulating (serum) DHT like finasteride does, it prevents DHT from making a complex with the androgen receptor protein.

guys it is a myth !! ( i believe we should put this answer in a place in the forum easily accessible for everyone...)

 

[Computer]

I guess I know who that doctor is. He is indeed an expert and knows what he is talking about.

Unfortunately he is only looking at the testosterone/DHT issue. Many other steroids like trenbolone, stanozolol, oxymetholone...cause hairloss by themselves and do absolutely not "rely to DHT" to do so. Any androgen has the potential to cause hairloss.
He should have looked at the issue of nandrolone/DHN

Although I do think that the nandrolone/finasteride thing is purely based on "bro-ology" rather than facts, I will not be convinced by Dr Lee's arguments untill I see an MPB prone person combining these compounds.
(I mean a real person / not some internet bro who has a friend who knows a dude that "could feel his hairs fall off his head")

 

[dim]

Thank you,this is a very helpfull post.

 

[blut wump]

I'm in full agreement with computer's assessment of the reply. The doctor seemed not to address the issue of nor-testosterone and DHN.

Here's an old thread for further reading.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206046

 

[Magick69]

Hi thanks for all your contribution to the debate; actually there should not be any debate!??

I will be brief

1) I kept my hair in my head after diagnoses of alopecia androgenetica by very well known dermatologists; i remeber i was so fucking depressed!! and instead of giving up i followed medical advices and tackled the problem since the very beginning. I remember at the time advice of people; give up is your gene u will be bald; minoxidil did not work with me; finasteride makes u grows boobs and loss of libido i did not give shit and continued;i still have hair and 3 girlfriends and one wife

2) not mean to be rude but between a very very very well known dermatologist which has worked with many bodybuilders with this dilemmas and problems, i believe in the first option and for me the rest are speculations; i put my reputation and hair on it becasue my cycle will be fina and NPP

3) It is not Dr. Lee and if it was i am a serious person and i will never mention names so do not ask me who is; you need to trust me he is very big.

4) if you stop finasteride (and prone to lose your hair) and use nandrolone something is sure you will lose your hair from nandrolone and the stopping of fina

5) peace bros soon i will write an article about hairloss...

 

[KD1]

guys it is a myth !! ( i believe we should put this answer in a place in the forum easily accessible for everyone...)

That doctor is a dumbass with regards to steroids - Deca will not increase serum testosterone, it will decrease it. The only steroid that increases serum testosterone is testosterone. What a fucking moron I cant believe he is giving you advice. He has no clue on the metabolites of Deca and how they interact with scalp and hair.

 

[Computer]

I do indeed agree on most points. All this finasteride/nandrolone thing is just "bro-science".
Yet still your dermatologist is wrong saying that "if you are going to be taking steroids, there will be an increase in the serum level of testosterone". He is confusing steroids and testosterone and only looks at the DHT thing.

Anyway, keep us posted on your results with NPP and finasteride. I am myself very prone to MPB and would like to hear a real nandrolone/fina case.

 

[Magick69]

I do indeed agree on most points. All this finasteride/nandrolone thing is just "bro-science".
Yet still your dermatologist is wrong saying that "if you are going to be taking steroids, there will be an increase in the serum level of testosterone". He is confusing steroids and testosterone and only looks at the DHT thing.

Anyway, keep us posted on your results with NPP and finasteride. I am myself very prone to MPB and would like to hear a real nandrolone/fina case.

cool computer actually this is my intention plus i will write my plan for hair protection with websites where to buy stuff.

About our german mate, what can i say bro? you have been warned if you do it at your own risk i will always advice u, though, on how to stop the crazy shedding caused by the fina stopping and the durabolin action on your hair...

the risk to stop fina ,for a person prone to hairloss, are WAY WAY MORE SERIOUS than get it with nandrolone.....

 

[mr.nitro]

That doctor is a dumbass with regards to steroids - Deca will not increase serum testosterone, it will decrease it. The only steroid that increases serum testosterone is testosterone. What a fucking moron I cant believe he is giving you advice. He has no clue on the metabolites of Deca and how they interact with scalp and hair.

wrong. I know for a fact eq, and d-bol will increace testosterone levels

 

[Magick69]

wrong. I know for a fact eq, and d-bol will increace testosterone levels

haha! you smartass i was about to say the same!!! This is a study where nandrolone increase testosterone....see the tables

http://www.medibolics.com/EffectsOfNandroloneStudybyGold.html

i would propose this as sticky and close one for all this silly stuff