Hey ranger, good to see a thinking bro posting on this board. I understand your evangelism because you've seen such great benefits from very large doses of ALA.
Thanks, I'm glad you can appreciate it...
To correct one of your assumptions, I HAVE wasted a large amount of money on ALA at high doses. And I AM an older person, but due to a lifetime of eating in a GI friendly manner, I have good insulin sensitivity.
Okay, I stand corrected. Btw, how long did you do it for, and how many grams of carbs did you have with the ALA? Did you try to time the ALA/massive carb intake with your workouts?
.....I assume by your results that you have some problems with getting the glucose preferentially into your muscles, which is why you're seeing good results with high dose ALA.
I think that in the bb world you may be the exception to the rule. Maybe even in the 'real' world. I'm sure most bb'ers have that problem, whether they are on juice or not. Most juicers gain some fat while bulking, (just like me) and I assume that they would also get better results if they added similar amounts of ALA to their cycles.
...How much dose the ALA cost you?? Have you had your glucose tolerance and insulin tested? If not, I think you should. Of course, as we both agree, large doses of AAS stuff up your sensitivity anyways, so I would be surprised if you DIDN'T have some reduced insulin sensitivity.
Hey, if I have my reduced insulin sensitivity to thank for giving phenomenal results while using ALA+juice, all I have to say is thank you Jeezus!
Seriously though, I'm now at 3.2%bf 190lbs. When I was doing 150mg/day tren, I never even came close to this type of result. Certainly I did not lose body fat. I'm now doing 80mg tren every other day, and am seeing far better results.
In fact you've touched upon a topic that I am very interested in (just because it's unknown territory). My suspicion is that juiceheads benefit from high dose ALA more than just about anyone else on this planet.
I totally agree. While I do think that there will be benefits for a lot of people who don't juice and take mass quants of ALA, I can only vouch for fellow juice head, since my experimentation was done under those conditions. However, the juicing for me is a constant. \Actually it's a reduced constant since less juice is giving me better result with the ALA than huge quantities of just juice...
You take someone who's muscles are already in a superphysiological state of anabolism but with reduced insulin sensitivity, and you boost their insulin sensitivity to take advantage of their already highish insulin levels, and VOILA, you have all the benefits of shooting slin without any of the risks, not to mention it's also improving your health instead of taxing it further. Add to this the liver protective effects for those taking orals and high protein diets and you have a supp which is worth the money if you're gonna cycle.
Hmmmm, you may be right on this one...
It still comes down to cost for me. I'm not a juicer, and my insulin sensitivity is good. I saw no noticeable benefits from taking ALA as a nutrient partitioner except possibly coming out of and into ketosis on CKD. This board is all about getting others inputs and experiences, which this thread has been great for. There are clearly many people for whom ALA is a worthwhile investment. But there's no way of knowing on an individual basis without trying it for yourself.
On your last point, I couldn't agree with you more. People need to try it for themselves. And then decide if it's worth it.
If the majority of people have good experiences with it, then it'll just spread by word of mouth, and it'll be the next great supplement since creatine. Now, don't ya feel a bit left out for not being insulin resistant?
I've noticed that the majority of people who have tried mass quantities of ALA have had great success. If they were insulin resistant, then that is the norm, and I'm happy to have contributed to some extend to helping them achieve their goals.
regards,
Rangerx83