Blackalpha, read the title of this thread. Do you really believe that an iso diet is the best one for ALL people ALL the time?? Can we not be a little more open minded as MR BMJ asked? If you are a bodybuilder (as I've made clear I am) then I think you'll struggle to to thrive/grow and get ripped on a purely iso diet. Why does this piss you off so much. And why are you grumpy because I challenged your statement that folks on gear need less fat in their diets than nattys? You state it as if it's common, proven knowledge!!
I am not denying that you can lose fat or stay lean on an iso (or any other diet that is submaintenance calories). But I know for a FACT that many people do not have the will power to put only ONE piece of pizza in their mouth. I also know that females have more problems controlling their food intake when the food is salty (such as most pizzas) so it is misleading to say "stick to these ratios and don't worry about anything else". I also know for a FACT that you need a minimum intake of protein to preserve muscle while dieting, so obviously a high carb/fat with low protein diet would not work for a bodybuilder, but may be fine for keeping Joe average from getting obese if calories are kept in control.
Bottom line, any sub maintenance diet is hard to stick to when you get ultra lean. If you wanna maintain moderate leaness, then iso is fine. If ya wanna get ripped, you have to work very hard no matter what ratios you use.
BTW as the French have always asserted, Americans are PIGS, and that is why they are fat. It is not the types of foods, it's the quantities.
I still haven't figured out why a guy would take AAS when he wants to be neither big nor lean......