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Nelson Montana

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This was something I was going to include as a "bonus report" when purchasing my book "BOTTOM LINE BODYBUILDING -- The Cold Hard Facts About Training - Nutrition - Supplements and Drugs"

But...

I'm too busy and too lazy to lay everything out in a legit manner, not to mention, there are constant updates with new supplements all the time.

Sooo...

I figured I'd just post some stuff here as it comes along. Here's a round up of some things that are going on:

I've already mentioned that Thermorexin got the thumbs up as far as the new ephedra free thermogenics go. What I like about this is how "complete" it is. (I would have left out the Green tea, but that's splitting hairs). It still doesn't have quite the kick of the old Ripped Fuel Extreme, but I don't see anything else as good right now.

I wrote a post a couple of weeks back about how I'm testing certain products via my monthly blood test. This is an invaluable source of information that most people just don't have. My last test was using chrysin, piperine and calcium D glucerate versus using no anti e's and my estrodiol came back 10 points lower, which isn't bad at all. Does this suggest it's enough to protect against mega doses of test? Probably not. But for mild cycles, or for daily estro management, it looks pretty good. I think it'll also work well in combination with proviron. (You'd probably only need 25 mgs of proviron tops) Anyone willing to give it shot?

This month I'm trying 6OXO to see how it compares. I'll let you know in a few weeks.

I also mentioned a while back that I've been on the advisory board for Protein Factory on a line of products and I got the prototypes. I must add that I recieve no compensation for this whatsoever. Actually, that's not true. They sent me a free package of the protein blend I usually buy. (I work cheap) Anyway, after I finish the 6OXO experiement I'm going to give them a try. This is what I can tell you so far:

Originally they were going for a post cycle formula (appropriatly titled "Post-Cycle") but they broke it up into two formulas. One is an avena/xanthoparmilia/muara puama/ nettles combo designed to release free T. The other is a combo of Maca, milk thistle, r-ala desiged to retore libido and clean the liver. The ingredients and dosages look excellent but again, I want to both "feel" the results and do the blood test before giving an endorsement. If nothing else, it'll be pleasure not to cap avena sativa from BAC every few days.

People have been asking about Nitric Oxide supps and to tell the truth, I can't see spending money on these things. Arginine realeases NO and is dirt cheap. By the way, take 2 grams of Arginine along with Viagra. Very impressive!

Ever hear of Tongkat Ali? This was supposed to be the next big thing in big things. (Erectile function that is.) From my personal experience, it did nothing.

As much as dislike Biotest, I have to admit, the lemon GROW bars were good -- until -- the last few batches I tried which tasted like stale floor tiles. Anyone else notice this? The same thing happened with laBrada chocolate coconut bars. They used to taste like "Mounds" bars now they taste like waxy maggot feces on a stick. Is this the old bait and switch? Start out with one product (laded with sugar) and then put out another to meet label claims? (ala' Detour) I know two stores in Manhattan that no longer carry Biotest -- for what it's worth.

I've also been asked for some suggestons on a fat burner, but anyone familiar with my work knows I'm not big on thermogenics. I feel the key to fat loss is with stimulating the thyroid -- safely. If I had to put out the ideal supp for optimum thyroid function it would contain all the nutrients that do so. The problem is, there won't be much of a "kick" and that's what people want from a fat loss product. Maybe a combination of thyroid nutrients and Thermorexin would really kick things into gear. To their credit, Thermo does contain some kelp to pump up thyroid output.

Other than that, basic nutrients for health, and lots and lots of protein (Not just whey, but whey, egg, and milk) that's about it for supps for now. I'm always on the look out for new stuff so if you hear about anything, let me know. Oh, and by the way -- I'm still not sure about Careo. That's a tough one to prove since it deals with RBC. If your RBC is fine, what does it do? I'm not sure, but I'm not discouting it yet.








And yes...prohormones still suck.
 
Hey Nelson, nice views and good idea posting them for a collection like this.

How come you never include tribulus or Epimedium Sagittatum into your natural postcycle therapy formula. I know that it is unknown how epimedium works at the moment, but it may be able to restore levels of testosterone and thyroid hormones. It has also been traditionally used for liver and kidney tonification as well as sexual dysfunction. And tribulus working on the ol luteinizing hormone (LH) levels. When LH levels are increased, the natural production of testosterone also increases. I know that there is not a lot of studies to prove these, but why not hit every angle.

For my next postcycle regimen I am going to throw everything into the mix. It will be a lot of supps but you can buy some that include many in one cap. I am going to try to throw all of this into one mix ...

Tribulus
Maca
Avena Sativa
Zinc
Epimedium Sagittatum
l-arginine
Yohimbe Bark Extract
ginseng
Ashwagandha root extract
Stinging nettle root extract
Marapuama stem extract

Combine these together into 1 product and you should feel results.

Mavy
 
Add some ...

Damiana Leaf and stem
Saw Palmetto berry
Sarsaparilla root
Ginger root

into the mix as well.
 
Mavy said:
Hey Nelson, nice views and good idea posting them for a collection like this.

How come you never include tribulus or Epimedium Sagittatum into your natural postcycle therapy formula. I know that it is unknown how epimedium works at the moment, but it may be able to restore levels of testosterone and thyroid hormones. It has also been traditionally used for liver and kidney tonification as well as sexual dysfunction. And tribulus working on the ol luteinizing hormone (LH) levels. When LH levels are increased, the natural production of testosterone also increases. I know that there is not a lot of studies to prove these, but why not hit every angle.

For my next postcycle regimen I am going to throw everything into the mix. It will be a lot of supps but you can buy some that include many in one cap. I am going to try to throw all of this into one mix ...

Tribulus
Maca
Avena Sativa
Zinc
Epimedium Sagittatum
l-arginine
Yohimbe Bark Extract
ginseng
Ashwagandha root extract
Stinging nettle root extract
Marapuama stem extract

Combine these together into 1 product and you should feel results.

Mavy


Your list is almost exactly what the product called "Unleashed" contains, (good name) except no yohimbe and no tribulus, which makes sense. I didn't realize the "Post-Cycle" does have epimedium also. You can get trib anywhere cheap and adding it to the formula would take up space but it could't hurt. Personally, I feel whatever trib does,avena does better.

Some people can't tolerate yohimbine. And what yohimbine does in regard to Erectile function, xanthoarmilia does better.

Saw Palmetto lowers DHT which would not make it a good libido enhancing ingredient. Sasparilla hasn't panned out and Damiana may increase estro. Ginger is great, but for a post cycle product?

I also still think it would be great to see a "No Yohimbe" Thermorexin. Anyone else have problems with Yohimbe?
 
Nelson, I believe that Tribulus and Avena go about raising test through different routes. I didnt think that Avena riased LH levels. I know what you mean though how trib can be taken seperatly, instead of taking up room in a supp, especially when a lot of trib is usually needed.

I have heard about people having problems with yohimbe, but I dont know what these problems are? Is it water? Can you elaborate on this a little more. I personally have had no problems with it.

Mavy
 
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