Orbit you did reply to me today and did refund. I appreciate it. I have sent a few others the past few days with no response so I assume you didnt receive. No hard feelings I just wanted to know if they were coming so I can go to store and get some supps. Maybe you can recommend a different stack. I was taking Gear, Ancient and Attack with N2KTS pre and Onslaught, Ancient and Gear post. Anything you can reccomend until they are shipping again. Trying to stay away from BSN products.