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[John G]

Whats up everyone. Okay, I need some help brothers. My father has been really depressed lately. He is 54 years old and isn't doing to well. For about the past 10 years he has been wanting to lose weight. He weighs about 280 lbs. He has tried many appetite suppressents with no success. He has tried a modified diet and still no good. He is getting older and I am kinda down about him being depressed. I was thinking about starting him on a Xenadrine rfa-1 Deal and have him do cardio and some light weight workouts. I was wondering if this is a good idea, considering age and so forth. What is the best approach? He eats and different times during the day. So he really doesn't eat on schedule. Should he go High Protein Low carb? How should we go about this taking the Xenadrine? Cardio 4 times a week?


Thanks Brothers,
John G.

 

[riskybizz007]

I'm not a Dr. but right now i'm working as ICU and ER nurse. My advice is keep your dad away from the thermos and go to a doc and get a script for something so he could lose weight. And your dad being 280 i seriously doubt he can do cardio. If he does he needs to start off by walking every day and build up his endurance. If you put him on thermogenics and make him do cardio he's going to end up w/ us in the ER w/ a heart attack. He needs a doc to get him some possible antidepressants and something for him to lose weight. And most important of all is his will to do it. If he's not willing there's no diet, pill, or dr. that can help. He needs to do his part. He could walk in the mornings and evenings, and you can help him coordinate his diet, and help him when he needs to vent out his depression or cravings. Support helps a lot.

Good luck bro... just take it slow w/ pops

 

[Triple J]

I would say the low carb approach is probably the way to go. I would get some blood work done. He probably has some blood sugar issues and the low carb diet will help start getting that under control. Some T and an anti-E may help if those areas are out of bounds. Cortisol may be high and the T can help knock it down. There are some balanced PH cremes containing DHEA, preg, prog, andro, nor, that may help. But work with a good doctor (if you can find one) on the blood work to choose the therapy.

Also regarding the low-carb he needs to start slow and just eliminate certain things first (like breads, for instance). And concentrate on eating good late in the day. Cravings can be a problem and are rooted I believe in neurotransmitter imbalances. Look into 5-htp or perhaps some prescription stuff. If he has trouble sleepin or things like hearburn at night it means his circadian rythmns are off and something like melatonin may help set him straight along with not eating at night.

Alcohol- no, nicotine- no

For exercise stick with walking for an hour or so a day (work up to it), preferably in the morning.

Good luck

 

[John G]

Okay

My dad recently went to the doctor to get all his blood work done. He blood sugar is also fine. They checked out his Glands and stuff, the conclusion was that he was in very good health. His work alone would constitute weight lifting. He works as a Carpenter. He does a lot of lifting everyday. So he isn't 280lbs of fat.

You guys suggest staying away from the Thermo? I was planning on starting him off slow. Maybe two to three weeks in then start up on a Thermo. This way his body becomes more accustomed to that sort of routine. Would taking a thermo at that point effect his body in an adverse way? Is there anything out there which isn't so potent?

 

[Benzi]

Whats up everyone. Okay, I need some help brothers. My father has been really depressed lately. He is 54 years old and isn't doing to well. For about the past 10 years he has been wanting to lose weight. He weighs about 280 lbs. He has tried many appetite suppressents with no success. He has tried a modified diet and still no good. He is getting older and I am kinda down about him being depressed. I was thinking about starting him on a Xenadrine rfa-1 Deal and have him do cardio and some light weight workouts. I was wondering if this is a good idea, considering age and so forth. What is the best approach? He eats and different times during the day. So he really doesn't eat on schedule. Should he go High Protein Low carb? How should we go about this taking the Xenadrine? Cardio 4 times a week?


Thanks Brothers,
John G.

Dr Benzi recommends 60mg adderall dpread in 3 doses during the day, taken with a high protein-loc arb diet, and light cardio to increase indurance 3-5x / week

 

[riskybizz007]

I suggested against the thermos b/c it will increase his heart rate, and if he has fat in his arteries and the blood cannot circulate fast enough to meet the demands of the heart, he will have a heart attack. That's why I suggested start him off on the cardio slow and slowly build it up. Once he's in good shape you can put him on thermos. And when you do put him on it make sure it's not an every day thing for months on end. M-F on and sat. and sundays off is a good schedule for a couple of months.

The main thing he has to do is diet. A good sound diet that he will be able to tolerate is the best bet. No amounts of cardio or thermos can compensate for a good diet. The blood sugar thing is crap unless he's diabetic, but you do have to watch carbs and sugars. A good first step is to take him off all colas, candy bars, sugars, etc. and just slightly decrease carbs. THen every 2-3 weeks make another slight adjustment to the diet scheme.

Less potent than an ephedra based product would be adipokinetics, and slightly less than that that i've heard good results from is Metabolic Thyrolean from Prolab, you can get it cheap from Dpsnutrition.com

 

[Triple J]

Stay away from the thermos. The depression / body weight issues suggest neurotransmitter and/or hormonal imbalances. The thermos may aggravate this. Also if insulin resistance is part of the problem and he still is eating lots of carbs the thermos may aggravate this, too (stimulate insulin release).

I know you say you had the blood work done, and that is always the best place to start, but one key thing is to work with a really good specialist who really wants to help your pop. You see, the normal ranges are quite broad and may only reveal serious issues to a generalist. So the subjective considerations of how a person feels need to be taken into account. It sounds like something is amiss with your doctors or they would be working harder to figure out a good protocol. Also I am curious did testing break out test and free test, estradiol, dht, DHEA, etc. Lastly regarding glucose, fasting could result in clearance in time for the sample. How about cholesteral, triglyecerides, etc if it showed high that is often indicative of too many carbs/fats in combination with sustained high insulin levels.

Also I am sure he works hard but that doesn't constitute exercise - not the same thing as progressive training for either endurance or strength so exercise is still warranted such as walking or whatever he can work up to.

Ultimately he will need to educate himself and take charge of his health and that will take some effort - to just start popin thermos is not a good idea and could be harmful.

 

[jeep310]

Looking out for your family..........way to go bro!

 

[John G]

Jeep

Thanks bro, I worked with people who have a weight problem. I get depressed when I see what they go through. Not to say my fathers weight problem is sever, but I just wanted to help him out. My dad been through alot of shit. So I want to help him. I have all this information now, the only I have to do is make him follow through. Wish me Luck. Thanks to everyone who has posted.

John G.