More phs from Orbit

[andrew732]

http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30467

Advanced Muscle Science 1-Androsterone UTT, 60 mL

I have good things about these two phs, wondering if anyone has feedback for them, would be curious to who has used this and what results they obtained from them.

 

[jbryand101b]

finaflex 1-andro
1-ANDRO 160mg
3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one 110mg
Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB) 50mg

so here, you have 1-androsterone (1-dhea) plus, 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one, let me re arrange this to look normal.

5a-androst-1-ene-17 ol 3-one.

youre missing which isomer is on the 17 position, beta, or alpha.

with that being said, the illegal steroid 1-testosterone when properly written contains the 17b-ol. this is a must have for the steroid to bind to the androgen receptor.
also, 1-test can be written without the isomer listing, and it's still recognized in the literature as being 1-testosterone.

so fina's 1-andro is claimed to contained 1-dhea (legal) and also 1-testosterone (illegal)
plus dhb for absorbtion aid.
something is fishy with their ingredient list......................
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ams's 1-andro utt is liquid 1-dhea. I'd get the xl bottle, this way you can double the servings.
ams also sells it in a capsule form, and it also contains dhb for absorbtion, but the liquid version would be better.

1-dhea is two steps away from 1-testosterone.
they also have a 4-dhea ph, which is two steps away from test.
and 19-nor dhea, which, also, two steps away from 19-nor test
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another option, and probably the best would be 1-t from primordial performance.
the have both liquid versions, and transdermal version.
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I've yet to use 1dhea, but hope to in a cycle in the future.
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on another note, you can still find 1-androstenediol on sale from underground labs.

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

so essentiall your trying to say its shady but at the same time more potent than they claim?

Also i agree 1-T is a great product, i have used it and liked it very much.
Sports Nutrition :: 1-T 7.2oz / 210ml by Primordial Performance - OrbitNutrition

 

[Captain FT]

finaflex 1-andro
1-ANDRO 160mg
3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one 110mg
Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB) 50mg

so here, you have 1-androsterone (1-dhea) plus, 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one, let me re arrange this to look normal.

5a-androst-1-ene-17 ol 3-one.

youre missing which isomer is on the 17 position, beta, or alpha.

with that being said, the illegal steroid 1-testosterone when properly written contains the 17b-ol. this is a must have for the steroid to bind to the androgen receptor.
also, 1-test can be written without the isomer listing, and it's still recognized in the literature as being 1-testosterone.

so fina's 1-andro is claimed to contained 1-dhea (legal) and also 1-testosterone (illegal)
plus dhb for absorbtion aid.
something is fishy with their ingredient list......................
-------------
ams's 1-andro utt is liquid 1-dhea. I'd get the xl bottle, this way you can double the servings.
ams also sells it in a capsule form, and it also contains dhb for absorbtion, but the liquid version would be better.

1-dhea is two steps away from 1-testosterone.
they also have a 4-dhea ph, which is two steps away from test.
and 19-nor dhea, which, also, two steps away from 19-nor test
-----------
another option, and probably the best would be 1-t from primordial performance.
the have both liquid versions, and transdermal version.
------------
I've yet to use 1dhea, but hope to in a cycle in the future.
-----------
on another note, you can still find 1-androstenediol on sale from underground labs.

PubMed seemed to have no problem searching for:
3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one
and labeling it 1-testosterone

17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (1-testos... [Toxicol Lett. 2006] - PubMed result

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

List of banned illegal PH's:

Anabolic Steroid Control Act Of 2004
("anabolic steroid" definition expanded to include androstenedione & related steroid compounds.)
This Act revised the term 'anabolic steroid' to mean any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes-
(i) androstanediol-
(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and
(II) 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;
(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);

(iii) androstenediol-

(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);
(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);
(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and
(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);
(iv) androstenedione -

(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);
(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and
(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);
(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);
(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one); (ix) dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);
(x) *1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. `1-testosterone') (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);b (xi) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);
(xii) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);
(xiii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);
(xiv) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
(xv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);
(xvi) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);
(xvii) 13b-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one;
(xviii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);
(xix) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);
(xx) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);
(xxi) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
(xxii) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);
(xxiii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);
(xxiv) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);
(xxv) 17a-methyl-3b, 17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;
(xxvi) 17a-methyl-3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;
(xxvii) 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-ene.
(xxviii) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxynandrolone (17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
(xxix) methyldienolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestra-4,9(10)-dien-3-one);
(xxx) methyltrienolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestra-4,9-11-trien-3-one);
(xxxi) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
(xxxii) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
(xxxiii) 17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one) (a.k.a. `17-a-methyl-1-testosterone');
(xxxiv) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

(xxxv) norandrostenediol-

(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and
(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);
(xxxvi) norandrostenedione-

(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and
(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedioine (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;
(xxxvii) norbolethone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);
(xxxviii) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
(xxxix) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
(xl) normethandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
(xli) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
(xlii) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
(xliii) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
(xliv) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17a-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);
(xlv) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);
(xlvi) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);
(xlvii) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
(xlviii) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);
(xlix) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one); and
(xlx) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph.

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

If it is in fact 1-test then they are treading on thin ice labeling it so obviously since it is banned yes.

 

[jbryand101b]

I was saying the fina looks shady, but I have no lab for testing what is actually in it.
What I can say, is labeling what is in it could cause the fda to put more focus on them, and test their product to see if it contains illegal steroids.
but if it doesn't really have 1-test in it, they'll be off the hook there, but then in another can of worms for mislabeling a product.

What do I believe? I believe that it contains all 1-dhea, but I have nothing to back this belief up.


but the other two brands, ams, pp, have both been out for a while, and recieved good reviews.