i always run forma during pct. it works really well with the phytoserms 347, daa and unleashed that i take during pct. i stay strong and lean up every time. thats what i notice the most. a lot of times i get more compliments in the gym that i look big, or am lifting heavy, than when i am actually on cycle. maybe it just takes people a while to notice, maybe its the stuff. either way, I personally always notice the veins in my shoulders and arms coming out more when im on it and i begin to lean up. its good stuff! it will forever be part of any pct i run!