if u wanna get ripped and big at the same time, the best possible way to do this is prolly without creatine. most of what creatine adds is going to be water, so while on it you won't look that ripped and when you come off youre gonna lose about a third of what you gained immediately. I would definately go and get some glutamine and also some whey protein. i'm not sure what otehrs will think of this but personally i have found that eating 20-30egg whites a day helps like you wouldnt believe. the mass keeps comin at like 3lbs a week since i have been goin with the egg whites(and somehow the six pack stays). i have tried the creatine deal a couple times. i saw my best results with $15 capsules over the (GOD ONLY KNOWS how much) cell-tech. so in summary, go get some cheap creatine(if you must), some plain old glutamine, and check out what the one bro said about brands for protein and you'll be set. also, nothin pisses me off more than when people complain about how their creatine didnt work and bullshit like that, make sure you BUST YOUR FUCKIN ASS EVERY GOD DAMN TIME YOU ENTER THE FUCKIN WEIGHT ROOM, PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAASEEEEE. i'm sure if you do this you'll be on here in a couple months telling us how great the 15lbs of muscle you added looks, good luck bro