I heard it works pretty well. From what I've read, You pretty much follow the same routine of upping the dosages until sides get too rough. Start at 1cc per day or .5cc twice a day and then slowly increase up to 1cc twice a day or whenever the sides get too bad. Pinch the layer of fat just like a gh or insulin shot. It's recommended to use yohimbine with it but not eca. Plus do the two weeks on then two weeks eca routine also. Good luck and post some results also