Hi Tom, I was only on the ADHD meds and T-shots for years. No opiates, not a drop of alcohol for over 20 years, T-levels stayed stable. It was not until 2 years ago, I lived with my Fiance' and her disabled son in a condo that was tested positive for large colonies of Black Mold and 2 other toxic strains. That's where it went South. That mold made me feel so funky, it got harder to breathe, woke up in night-sweats, tremors, developed nerve tumors on both feet, toes began curling inward, "Hammer Toe" is what it's called. The pain was like stepping on a nail with each step, each foot. Sleep and nerves got shot, hence the beer (did not know anything else to do, the beer relieved the feet spasms) that felt like someone was tickling them from the inside out and they would jerk and spasm after I'd been on them for a while. We're working on treatment but Dr.'s in the South are not on top of toxin exposure like they are other places, so it's been a self-medicating trial-and-error thing just to be able to keep working. I know the alcohol needs to go, but so do the ungodly leg spasms. I take Accupril for the HBP, the Synthroid for the Thyroid. These 2 things have only recently developed. I'm thinking they came about from losing 65-75% useage of my feet, no leg presses, no hikes or eliptical. I put on about 12 extra pounds, BF is at 18%, total wt. is 200 lbs. It's hard to distinguish what's causing the low-energy and strength levels, not working out much cause there's nothing left. The mold is surely a factor (my Fiance' and step-son-to-be are the same way) The boy almost died from the exposure. You are right about the tiredness from the Vic's and beer, it helps at the time, but not all the time. I should feel better than I do with T-levels at 1,057 ng/dl., guess it's weakened by the other stuff I do. I'm stopping the alcohol after I talk to the doc next week, I know there's got to be a better way. This is a tough one to figure what's best to do, it's very confusing, like a cycle of "ya' need this to stop one problem, and then you need that to stop the aftermath of this.." Hoolio, don't know where you're coming from and this is a living nightmare, try it before passing your opinions, you have no idea.... JB