What world do you live in? I'm really not going to argue this point because your statement is ludicrious.
The statement isn't ludicrous, infact the very hormone you're inquiring about with this thread is OTC, so if it's going to be so weak, why bother giving it a second thought?
Yes, fact. That includes non-aromatising compounds like Winstrol, Tren (yes Tren doesn't aromatise either), Anavar, Primo, etc. Here's a graph where 5 days of ox @ 15mgs a day significantly depressed htpa.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705/F3
What you have to say about that?
I have to say thank you for coming to an agreement with me, depressed, supressed.. same thing, not shut down, I'm not saying shutdown isn't possible, but it's certainly not a fact that if you take exogeneous androgens that you will be shut down, do you think if I take 1 5mg dbol I will be shutdown? in most cases a reasonably run cycle supresses or (depresses) choose whichever you like, not shut you down.
variation said:
you're basically in agreement with him. He said pro-hormones "CAN be CONVERTED to some other hormone in the body"
but he was not suggesting that m1t was a prohormone, infact he stated that 1-testosterone is indeed a steroid.
Not that steroids can't also convert to other steroids in the body.
There seems to be a lot of confusion on elite when reading posts.
Posted by animal:
androstenedione, androstenediol, 5-androstenediol, among others will all aromatize and they are definitly pro-hormones.
Androstenedione - the chance of aromatisation prior to conversion is slim to nil and the low yield of eventual usable testosterone make this drug completely useless.
androstenediol - Target Hormone: 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) . What that mean??? Well, it means it doesn't amormatise!!!
5-androstenediol - this one is the biggest joke of all. 5-diol needs to convert to 4-diol before it becomes testosterone, making it a less effective conversion. All this does is stimulate estrogens in the body that are present. [/B]
ok, what I was trying to get across was that prohormones, need conversion to reach the target hormone, otherwise if it's already the target hormone, then conversion isn't the goal, not saying that whatever steroid/pro-steroid/pro-hormone la la la or whatever won't convert to something else, I understand what you're saying.