I was on a 250mg ew dose of test for hmm 6 months I would say. I dropped it 3 weeks ago and have been using a double dose of hcgenerate ed 5 caps am 5 caps pm. I feel fantastic and my nuts are fuller now then they were before. I got 1 week left to this and then I will switch over to the sarms and see how it fars all on its own at 60mg ed stacked with no other hormones but maybe some of my products of course.