How often should i be working out when not using gear ? like just all natural ? I was think 3 times a week about 45mins a time, does this sound right ? Also I have heard that it is not a good idea to use Creatine and Protein Powders together, is this true ? If yes I guess I will stick with the creatine. BTW.....what other supplements do I need besides creatine ? BTW I am 19yrz old, 185 lbs, lean build, 6'2"...........thankz in advance for ur responses. BTW, I have at least 10-15 friends who use gear, and they are not ur picture pefect body builder, only about 3 of them would qualify as respectable on ur forum (set meals, workouts, schedules, etc.) and the rest just wing it woring out a couple times a week and eating pretty much anything, but yet tho the serious guyz are obviously getting leaner muscle mass, the other guys are still getting big. Am I missing something here ?