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Pre-existing Gyno help

all the anti estrogen meds in the world will not reverse gyno if your estrogen levels are normal. Get your test and estrogen levels checked, if there normal then its to late and surgery is only option. Also once the gland becomes a breast it can not be reversed even if your estrogen levels are high. Taking anti estrogen will just stop the gyno from becoming worse, once the glands become hard the only option is surgery.
 
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People on this forum are so fucking misinformed its not even funny... TOREMIFENE IS THE ANSWER TO ALL OF YOUR GYNO PROBLEMS.

Heres a fun fact:
In healthy adult MALES...
Letro 2.5mg drops e2 levels ~50%
Adex 1mg drops e levels ~50%
Aromasin 25mg am+pm drops e2 levels ~50%
(I will post a link to this shorty)

ALL THAT LETRO KILLS ESTROGEN BULLSHIT WAS ONLY A STUDY DONE ON FEMALESSSSS!!! WTF

So maybe if you tried letro and prami for a while with no success you should try TOREMIFENE.
 
@j12345
Systematically lowering estrogen and prolactin (Letro+Prami) and blocking estrogen from entering the breast tissue (Toremifene) WILL DESTROY GYNO. The mammary glands will not survive without any estrogen stimulating them.
 
@j12345
Systematically lowering estrogen and prolactin (Letro+Prami) and blocking estrogen from entering the breast tissue (Toremifene) WILL DESTROY GYNO. The mammary glands will not survive without any estrogen stimulating them.



This is not true unless you do it asap. If done early on yes but once the glands have hardened, the only option is surgery. I just had surgery bro. If you dont blast anti estrogen pills with in 6 months of onset its impossible to reverse. If you gave a female all the anti estrogen pills in the world her chest might shrink a little but the glands are permanent once they have formed into breasts and only surgery can fix this.

Why do thousands of guys get surgery if you could solve it with anti e pills..... It would be much easier but unfortunately cant happen for TRUE gyno
 
Anti estrogens like tamoxifen can reverse the development of breast tissue at the early stages but after a while that breast tissue changes structure and becomes permanently fixed.

NO ANTI E pill will fix gynecomastia that's been there a long time. If we are talking about less than a year maybe but after a while the breast tissue changes structure and becomes permanent and surgery is the only case.

Plus over killing it on anti e pills if your estrogen levels are in normal range will bring on an onset of some really nasty side effects. Get your levels checked
 
There are plenty of studies where people have reversed their pre-existing gyno with the use of SERMS and other AIs. How could they have done this if the gyno has already deleloped and hormones are stabalized?
 
if there is plenty then show me one legit study that shows after having gyno a year you can reverse it with anti e pills. ALSO being fat and having man boobs is not the same as having gyno.
 
Klin Padiatr. 1987 Nov-Dec;199(6):389-91. Related Articles, Links


[Treatment of marked gynecomastia in puberty with tamoxifen]

[Article in German]

Konig R, Schonberger W, Neumann P, Benes P, Grimm W.

Kinderklinik, Universitat Mainz.

Based on the good results of another author 10 boys with marked pubertal gynecomastia were treated with the antioestrogen Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) at a dose of 20-40 mg/d orally for 2-12 months. In most cases the gynecomastia decreased totally, only two patients experienced palpable subareolar glandular tissue at the end of therapy. Side effects were not noted. During therapy levels of estradiol and testosteron increased, with a more pronounced elevation of estradiol. Basal values of LH and FSH remained nearly unchanged, but LH showed an increased response to LH-RH, which could be explained by the antioestrogenic effect of Tamoxifen at the hypothalamic level. The reduction of breast size in spite of increased estradiol levels on the other hand, suggests that the mean therapeutic effect of tamoxifen is through estrogen receptor blockade of breast tissue.

and this...



Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 1984 Nov 2;109(44):1678-82. Related Articles, Links


[Testosterone and estradiol levels in male gynecomastia. Clinical and endocrine findings during treatment with tamoxifen]

[Article in German]

Eversmann T, Moito J, von Werder K.

Oestradiol-(E2) levels in serum were significantly higher in a group of 91 males with gynaecomastia than in a control group. The levels were highest in patients with testicular tumour, hyperprolactinaemia and idiopathic gynaecomastia. In gynaecomastia of puberty and primary or secondary hypogonadism, the E2 level was within normal limits, but the testosterone/oestradiol ratio was significantly reduced. Tamoxifen, at a daily dose of 20 mg, was administered over 2-4 months to 16 patients with gynaecomastia. Of twelve patients with painful gynaecomastia ten became painfree. Gynaecomastia regressed partially or completely in 14 patients, in only 2 was it unchanged. There was no recurrence of gynaecomastia after discontinuing tamoxifen. Side-effects did not occur. It is concluded that tamoxifen is a promising alternative to the surgical treatment of gynaecomastia.
 
1
Effects of tamoxifen on lipid profile and coagulation parameters in male patients with pubertal gynecomastia.
Novoa FJ, Boronat M, Carrillo A, Tapia M, Diaz-Cremades J, Chirino R.

Conclusion: Some good effects on lipids

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Treatment of gynecomastia with tamoxifen: a double-blind crossover study.
Parker LN, Gray DR, Lai MK, Levin ER.

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Excellent study design,shame they didnt have more subjects.
Conclusion:
70% showed significant improvement of gyno(but none got rid of it)
10% developed gyno symptoms after tamoxifen stopped
Need to repeat study and run tamoxifen for longer than a month.


3
Comparison of tamox with danazol in the management of idiopathic gynecomastia.
Ting AC, Chow LW, Leung YF.

Another excellent(and my favourite study on this topic)
78% "cured" with tamox
40% "cured" with danazol
However higher recurrence rate(22%)of gyno after tamox stopped.


4
tamox for flutamide/finastride-induced gynecomastia.
Staiman VR, Lowe FC.

CONCLUSIONS:
Good results but talks about gyno symptoms(pain)as opposed to gyno
mass


5
[Treatment of marked gynecomastia in puberty with tamox}
Article in German]
Konig R, Schonberger W, Neumann P, Benes P, Grimm W.


10 boys were treated with the tamox at a dose of 20-40 mg/d orally for 2-12 months.
In most cases the gynecomastia decreased totally, only two patients experienced palpable subareolar glandular tissue at the end

Conclusion:
Bit vague in how many got rid of gyno.
20% still had/or gyno came back after treatment

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testosterone and estradiol levels in male gynecomastia. Clinical and endocrine findings during treatment with tamox]]

14/16(88%)gyno partially or fully regressed.
2(12%)no effect on gyno
No recurrence.


SUMMARY
From the above studies:
For established gyno
20mg tamox
2 to 3 months

Average
75% chance of regression or complete resolution
20% chance it will come back again.
 
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