No, you misunderstood me. I am just running Turinabol+Winstrol, 30+30 mg/day. After 3 weeks I had to go to 20+20 mg/day, because I started to get unpleasant cystic acne. The acne quickly disappeared, but so partly did the anabolic effect. However, my strength gains are overall impressive, muscles are hard like a stone, but I am disappointed by size gains that are relatively negligible. I will run Tamoxifen for 6 weeks (10-20 mg/day) as a post-cycle therapy, together with Clenbuterol (80 mg/day) 2x1 week on/1 week off, because I also want to lose some fat. I think that I don't have to buy HCG because of such a relatively mild cycle.
Since the results from this cycle were partly disappointing, next time I want to run a high dose of Turinabol (40-50 mg/day) with nandrolone or a low dose of Anavar (because I need to lower fat percentage). (I can't use any androgenic stuff including testosterone because of my high sensitivity to androgens). I was just thinking over, if I could use Anavar as a "post cycle steroid". Or what to do, if I run Turinabol with nandrolone.
I had a bad experience with my first 6-week's (mini)cycle with nandrolone, where I used no PCT. I gained virtually no size, but quite a lot of strength from it, and I was holding it successfully for 6 weeks since the last injection. However, then suddenly "something happened" during one training day, I felt tired, overtrained and weak, and after 8 days of forced recovery I found out that I virtually lost all strength that I had gained during the cycle. I really don't know if it was some catabolic crash (it was a very hot weather then and I was overall tired), because it was 6 weeks since the last injection, and as far as I know, endogenous testosterone is suppressed only 3-4 weeks after the injection of nandrolone.