Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (NPP)

[stevesmi]

I'm right now on 600mg of Deca and 500mg of Test Enanthate weekly. I've listened Stevesmi and started taking 25mg of Proviron. But after 5 days (today) I started experiencing a huge strain and pressure on my kidneys. I'm literally pissing every 30 minutes. The urge is so extensive I think I will not sleep this night more than one hour continuously.
I will stop with Proviron and start taking Cabergoline. I know it's not the same and it will not prevent DHN overflow but progesterone and prolactin.
Does anyone know why it kicks my kidneys so strong? I experienced the same 3 years ago while taking Proviron. With Masteron not.


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it isn't your kidney's being strained, it is likely BPH or enlarged prostate.. that is making you pee too much. the sharp increase in DHT will cause this, so in this case it is backfiring on you and you are sensitive to DHT derivative steroids..
in the future swap out deca for EQ so you won't have to worry about DHN, both are mild compounds and both are very similar being slow quality builders. only difference is deca is so much better at stimulating appetite

 

[muskate]

I'm right now on 600mg of Deca and 500mg of Test Enanthate weekly. I've listened Stevesmi and started taking 25mg of Proviron. But after 5 days (today) I started experiencing a huge strain and pressure on my kidneys. I'm literally pissing every 30 minutes. The urge is so extensive I think I will not sleep this night more than one hour continuously.
I will stop with Proviron and start taking Cabergoline. I know it's not the same and it will not prevent DHN overflow but progesterone and prolactin.
Does anyone know why it kicks my kidneys so strong? I experienced the same 3 years ago while taking Proviron. With Masteron not.


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I think part of your problem is simply due to water retention. Both deca and test are known to cause a lot of water retention. Especially if you aren't using the proper support supplements with your cycle.

Remember to include the proper support supplements with your cycle:
1. An AI to keep estrogen in the low-normal range. Aromasin at 10mg EOD is a good dosage.
2. An anti-prolactin drug to keep prolactin in the low-normal range. Cabergoline at 0.25mg EOD is a good dosage.

The support supplements are very important because high estrogen and prolactin levels can lead to side effects like gyno and water retention.

 

[vexotex]

Stevesmi, thank you for advice. I've been last two cycle on EQ and Test. A gain was slow, not big, but solid and good quality. I wanted little more so I stacked it with Masteron in the middle of the cycle. Then I was happy. As I said, no problem with Masteron even though it is also DHT derivate.
Now is cold winter so I just wanted some bulky mass, that way I tried for the first time with Deca. I don't want to play anymore with Tren.
After 4 weeks on Deca, and with using Arimidex (can't buy Aromasin locally) and only 25mg of Proviron I don't feel any decrease in libido. In fact it's higher and no limpy stick.
So, last question to not bother you anymore, can Masteron similarly prevent DHN like Proviron?


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[stevesmi]

Stevesmi, thank you for advice. I've been last two cycle on EQ and Test. A gain was slow, not big, but solid and good quality. I wanted little more so I stacked it with Masteron in the middle of the cycle. Then I was happy. As I said, no problem with Masteron even though it is also DHT derivate.
Now is cold winter so I just wanted some bulky mass, that way I tried for the first time with Deca. I don't want to play anymore with Tren.
After 4 weeks on Deca, and with using Arimidex (can't buy Aromasin locally) and only 25mg of Proviron I don't feel any decrease in libido. In fact it's higher and no limpy stick.
So, last question to not bother you anymore, can Masteron similarly prevent DHN like Proviron?


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yes, but it is more expensive and more of a pain in the ass to inject 500mg a week masteron vs. doing just 25mg proviron a day for an entire deca cycle.

 

[spursmad]

Are you sure it's your kidneys,prostate problems can make you piss all the time

 

[vexotex]

It's not pain in the ass when I tolerate Masteron quite well but Proviron makes so much pressure on my kidneys.
Spursmad, I have some not clear issue with kidneys. I don't take any protein supplements, no any whey, BCCA, creatin, nothing, no powder. Only food because of powders I get immediately the same symptoms. Back pain, heaviness in kidneys and I urinate every 30 min. Now I realized that pure DHT also causes that. Maybe DHT makes you dry, has diuretic capabilities and makes excessive burden to my kidneys.
I made couple of Ultra Sonic research and blood work. All fine, creatinine and urea on the upper limit, slightly elevated. Standard for people doing gym and high protein food.


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[stevesmi]

^^^ i still contend it is the DHT affects causing enlarged prostate. this might be something you could try, but cialis gets prescribed to some men for this problem

 

[vexotex]

Thanks Steve, I can get Cialis from my "supplier" so I will try


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[Jay Scott]

I highly doubt those are kidney problems as proviron is not as liver toxic as you might think it is.

It is very high chance that you have some prostate issues and I would get that checked out after your cycle. You never know what kind of underlying problems you might have.

 

[vexotex]

Then why do I get the symptoms when I take any protein powder, whey, BCCA, L-glutamine? I think that pressure in kidneys comes from sudden increase in nitrogen in kidneys. And then I don't piss frequently but a little amount because of prostate hinders passing urine. I piss a lot. I read somewhere on this forum that kidneys need much more liquid to filtrate the same amount of blood and to concentrate a toxic waste than normal healthy kidneys. I read that frequent urinating and night urinating is an early state of kidneys disease.


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