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The Myth of Deca Durabolin and Finasteride (VERY IMPORTANT)
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bbkingpin
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shorinryu69 said:right i did not immagine that my post would have created all this controversy
now about the study i re-read and i agree with you i rushed in posting i should have checked more but i was at work and do not want to get sacked for saving people hairs
I do not need to convince anyone; it is not up to us to explain theories but up to the expert of the fields; the email that i have has a signature with headings so the person that wrote this has thought before writing. It is an MD working also with bodybuilders in restoring their hairs or save them who agrees with another not so famous but expressing the same opinion
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=206046
if to this we add also the well written article of Ulter i think is pretty safe to dismiss this myth; again if you stop fina and use any steroid you will surely loose your hair for a paradox effect casued by the medicine and the aggressiviness of any steroid (except anavar) on the hairline
about the german i do not know your insults so is ok for me; but you should check a bit my avatars and pictures with a dictionary ; i also have lots of german friends perhaps we can meet i live in the UK drop me an email ; i can check your hairlineI go to munich often to train and not in bodybuilding.....
Use punctuation so we can follow what you're saying without stopping to think where you are starting a new thought. Periods or just commas would really help. Who needs a headache and a stiff neck trying to decipher your posts?
Magick69
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BBkingpin said:
it is a well know MD; i cannot say more.....the important point is to avoid people to stop the fina and for something un proved put them in condition to lose their hair. About your comment; i think it is widely aknowledged that topical spiro is a very effective anti-hairloss treatment so nothing new...
The post of the last doc is clear about the consequences of stopping fina regardless nandrolone.
this is a new one:
gday doc,
great blog.
l’ve been on 1mg finasteride for about 9 mths and have recently noticed increased shedding (about 2-3 times more hair than usual).
lve read that finasteride causes synchronization of the hair cycle and as such this can occur and might be taken as a sign that the medication is effective.
Is this correct?
No one really knows for sure. I have heard reports from patients and readers such as yourself that starting finasteride may cause shedding. Aside from the anecdotal evidence, I have not heard or read about a scientific research on this phenomenon. I would hope that the shedding is the result of the drug and the hair going into another growth cycle rather than an acceleration of the hair loss that is due to your genetics. Time will tell the answer here as the shedding should stop and reverse by the 4th month if it is caused by a change in your hair cycle.
Nevertheless, the effectiveness of finasteride (Propecia) has been well studied and documented. Thus, it would not be a good idea to stop taking the medication if you are experiencing hair loss. The hair loss will be worse if you stop the medication as your body will play “catch up” and go back to the state as if you were never on the drug
BBkingpin, no intention to disrespect u ,just out of curiosity, but when u took the pic of your avatar did you lose your belt??
bbkingpin
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I use topical spironolactone but it is not approved by the FDA to make claims of helping prevent baldness or grow hair. Apparently, in addition to propecia and finasteride, the only other FDA approved hair growth product is a laser comb. So, if a friggin' laser comb can prove its claims, why not topical spironolactone, if it's so effective?BBkingpin said:
krishna
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shorinryu69 said:What will happen if you regularly get finasteride and you stop it..
Q: First off thank you for providing this Blog, it is extremely informative and gives people the opportunity to ask questions of one of the most knowledgeable hair transplant surgeons in the world. You are considered the consummate researcher in the field of hair loss, so I ask this question of you. It appears that all the current hair loss drugs, at one point or another, begin to loose their effectiveness. Have you ever entertained the idea of cycling these drugs, or reducing the dosage for a period of time, to prevent the body from becoming acclimated to these drugs and subsequently making adjustments to receptors causing this? This method is commonly used by bodybuilders and others in the sports profession to elicit the maximum effect from the drugs they employ. Though I have not found any studies along these lines, I believe there are valid reasons why this may work. I hope you may be able to share any information on this subject.
A: Excellent question. I can answer it only indirectly. It has been our experience that when you discontinue finasteride (Propecia), or decrease the dose to a degree that it no longer works, the patient will begin to shed hair. When the drug is re-started or the dose increased again, the medications will begin working, but the patient now maintains his hair at a lower baseline. He doesn’t seem to regain the amount of hair he has before the medication was stopped. For this reason, we don’t stop and start finasteride. The same argument applies to dutasteride, although we have less experience with this medication. This experience would speak against using pulse therapy for hair loss.
http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/blog/
This question applies to a normal patient who is not on nandrolone. Again, you're pointing out common sense that is useless to your case. This has nothing to do with someone taking nandrolone, tren, or any dht based gear. Go pop 60mg a day of dbol with 100mg a day of winny while taking your precious finasteride and see if you lose hair. Take at least 600 a week of npp too for your little experiment and don't use test so that there will be no excuse. And even if you don't lose hair, you wouldn't of anyway because deca suppresses your natural test and you have very reduced levels of dht.
Magick69
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BBkingpin said:
I cannot answer to this question; sometimes FDA approval is related to other variables disconnected with the efficiency of the compound. What i know from a pratical point of view is that all major dermatologists prescirbe spiro and i have read many threads in forum about hairloss (which are connected with dermatologists specialised in hair or patients suffering with hairloss) speaking very well about spiro.
i think Lee's site has studies on spiro....
the forum of hairlosshelp is one of the best and you can have an idea about which stuff works and which not..
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chilledandy
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This seems to me like this guy is simply trying to prove his point by exagerating the claims about this "famous MD".
"one of the most important MD expert in the US about hairloss (they are 3 and all are very good and expreinced in this field with bodybuilders)." - yeah sure!
He very clearly knows nothing of steroids. He has simply bitten off a big chunk of the usual media hype about steroids and bunched them all together. As previously mentioned by many others, your supposed famous MD is making very generic comments that actually only relate to testosterone. In fact, he even stated as much - It is a myth. If you are going to be taking steroids, there will be an increase in the serum level of testosterone.
It would be wise to decrease the DHT and that would be fairly simple. " - to quote him - "if you are going to be taking STEROIDS"!! - So all steroids are the same????? He either knows nothing about gear, or has overlooked what you actually asked him about - that being Nandrolone. I suspect he is the usual ignorant doc type that simply believe all gear is the same.
Nandrolone converts to DHN, and if left alone - i.e. not used with finasteride, DHN will not harm your hair line. When taken with Finasteride, it cannot convert to DHN and so could cause hair loss as DHN is much safer than deca.
To come on here and suggest that what your "famous MD" has told you is gospel because he works with many bodybuilders blah blah blah... when you are clearly making up those facts about him should see you thrown off here imo. If he was a famous MD and specialised in working with bodybuilders as you keep suggesting, then he would have a much better knowledge - or at least some knowledge - of the DIFFERENT effects DIFFERENT steroids can have on the hair line.
Now I for one know very little about hair loss, but it is something that massively concerns me. I would be seriously pi**ed if I had read your thread and took your word on it and used deca with fina only to see my hair falling out.
Serioulsy, if your going to quote some one else, at least do it with an objective view point and not exagerate/make up claims about the guy to support his theories. i.e:
"2) not mean to be rude but between a very very very well known dermatologist which has worked with many bodybuilders with this dilemmas and problems, i believe in the first option and for me the rest are speculations."
"It is an MD working also with bodybuilders in restoring their hairs or save them who agrees with another not so famous but expressing the same opinion"
"it is not my doctor is a famous MD which works also with bodybuilders i trust his word and not yours (Buddha what's your qualification mate?)"
And comments like this serioulsy p**s me off:
"in the meantime if soemeone consider the hair important please do not stop any medication (fina) that ur Doc gave u while on any steroid than the choice is urs" - so your telling people to use fina with any gear regardless of the thousands of posts from people who have experienced adverse effects over the years of doing exactly that, not to mention all of the scientific/medical evidence to support the reasons why this would happen. good idea!
"one of the most important MD expert in the US about hairloss (they are 3 and all are very good and expreinced in this field with bodybuilders)." - yeah sure!
He very clearly knows nothing of steroids. He has simply bitten off a big chunk of the usual media hype about steroids and bunched them all together. As previously mentioned by many others, your supposed famous MD is making very generic comments that actually only relate to testosterone. In fact, he even stated as much - It is a myth. If you are going to be taking steroids, there will be an increase in the serum level of testosterone.
It would be wise to decrease the DHT and that would be fairly simple. " - to quote him - "if you are going to be taking STEROIDS"!! - So all steroids are the same????? He either knows nothing about gear, or has overlooked what you actually asked him about - that being Nandrolone. I suspect he is the usual ignorant doc type that simply believe all gear is the same.
Nandrolone converts to DHN, and if left alone - i.e. not used with finasteride, DHN will not harm your hair line. When taken with Finasteride, it cannot convert to DHN and so could cause hair loss as DHN is much safer than deca.
To come on here and suggest that what your "famous MD" has told you is gospel because he works with many bodybuilders blah blah blah... when you are clearly making up those facts about him should see you thrown off here imo. If he was a famous MD and specialised in working with bodybuilders as you keep suggesting, then he would have a much better knowledge - or at least some knowledge - of the DIFFERENT effects DIFFERENT steroids can have on the hair line.
Now I for one know very little about hair loss, but it is something that massively concerns me. I would be seriously pi**ed if I had read your thread and took your word on it and used deca with fina only to see my hair falling out.
Serioulsy, if your going to quote some one else, at least do it with an objective view point and not exagerate/make up claims about the guy to support his theories. i.e:
"2) not mean to be rude but between a very very very well known dermatologist which has worked with many bodybuilders with this dilemmas and problems, i believe in the first option and for me the rest are speculations."
"It is an MD working also with bodybuilders in restoring their hairs or save them who agrees with another not so famous but expressing the same opinion"
"it is not my doctor is a famous MD which works also with bodybuilders i trust his word and not yours (Buddha what's your qualification mate?)"
And comments like this serioulsy p**s me off:
"in the meantime if soemeone consider the hair important please do not stop any medication (fina) that ur Doc gave u while on any steroid than the choice is urs" - so your telling people to use fina with any gear regardless of the thousands of posts from people who have experienced adverse effects over the years of doing exactly that, not to mention all of the scientific/medical evidence to support the reasons why this would happen. good idea!
I'v heard doing deca and fina at the same time distroy the libido even with test boosters it takes months to come back. here is a link where u can buy spiro in the U.S. http://www.minoxidil.com/ if you use spiro and minoxidil u have to time it right if they are mixed it smells like rotten eggs. from what i've read u can drop azelic acid flakes into a bottle of minoxidil and make what they sell at site for $30 they sell the flakes at www.fishersci.com. i usually buy 4 bottes of minoxidil 5% at costco for $20 then drop 2 or 3ml of flakes in, mix and let it sit for 24 hours before use. hope this helps save some $$$.
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