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How young is too young?

bigtex1125

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My little bro is a high school football player and really wants to juice. I'm seriously debating on whether I should hook him up or not. I'd love to see him put on some size in the off season, but he's only 16 going on 17. I didn't start until I was 18, but I was already a big guy and had no trouble handling it. I'm thinking of maybe 150 to 200mgs of deca for about 8 weeks. When did you guys start? Is he too young?
 
HELL NO

I'm no expert on when people are ready t o juice but between the ages of 16 and 24 your testosterone will be at it's highest so there's no need to take juice esp. at such a young age. Eat alot, train hard and get on lots of supplements and see how that goes then maybe in 2 years give it a try. A buddy of mine juiced at 16 and yea he got some size but it stunt his growth and he never needed to do it in the 1st place. I wouldn't risk it if I was your brother but it's up to him. I did my 1st cycle when I was 19 and I'm 21 now and think I shouldv'e waited but I didn't. Good luck bro, Masterpiece
 
Exactly if I would have know the things I know now.....fuck I didn't know what the fuck I was doing in H.S, get him eating like a horse Protein, creatine 16 is pretty fuckin young. I started at 20yrs old and I shouldv'e waited. Good luck and becareful bro, that's your little brother your talking about
 
Hell no!!! If he wants some sauce, let him figure out where to get it. If you hook him up and he goes off the deep end, you'll regret giving him the hook in the first place......plus it may come back on you hard, like getting busted.....fuck that. You never no bro, my advice is HELL NO!!!:idea::eek:
 
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You got me with the stunting growth comment. That little shit can wait. I'm just gonna feed him like a horse and get him into a real gym when I come home for the summer, that's what I did when I was his age. He's too dumb to find his own gear anyway. Thanks a lot guys. Hope you like karma.
 
First off, NO! Plain and simple. Way too young, and immature.

Second off, if you were to give him Deca, it wouldn't be out of his system for up to 18 months, so let's think about this. Older brother gives younger uneducated brother Deca, younger brother gets college scholarship for football, younger brother gets tested 1 year later and still tests positive for metabolites of Deca. Younger brother loses scholarship, probably drops out of school, and hates older brother for many years to come. Not to mention the resentment of your whole family for knowing their kid used steroids and lost his college scholarship because of it. That's a fact, jack!

Anyways, we at Anabolic Fitness put together the very first consensus statement on the starting age of anabolics of it's kind anywhere in the world. We are very serious about the mature use of these substances because if used properly, they can be a very healthy adjunct to our lives. So here's the link and a copy for all those interested. And this message goes out to all of those youngsters out there who are thinking of starting AAS!

READ IT, KNOW IT, LIVE IT!!!

Link:
http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/age.htm

Here's a copy:

Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.



Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (“growth plates”) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (“voicebox”) into the mid-20’s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:


Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.

To view the posts of those who participated
in this Consensus Statement click here


Take Care.

LuckyDog
 
IMO too young is if you haven't fully grown in height ( usually end at age 20-23 in males ).

Until then your natural test levels are high and it's not worth the risks.

FYI: I started when i was turning 23 and that was borderline in my opinion.
 
Lucky dog, what an outstanding post on the subject. Im 23 now and started when i was 22. I felt my growth plates were fused by that age.
I agree 16 is way way way too young. That could do untold damage to his juvenile endocrine system.
Most pro bodybuilders are quite short, do you think this is because they started too young?
 
Big Anaconda said:
Lucky dog, what an outstanding post on the subject. Im 23 now and started when i was 22. I felt my growth plates were fused by that age.
I agree 16 is way way way too young. That could do untold damage to his juvenile endocrine system.
Most pro bodybuilders are quite short, do you think this is because they started too young?

its possible, but my guess is that they are short because as you know, 200lbs looks a hell of a lot more huge on a 5'8" dude, thana 6'2"
 
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