ok, i have been using for a long time now, okay sorry, let me rephrase, 500 was doing something, but nothing in comparison to what it used to do, and i was running deca with this cycle but had to drop so my solution was to up the test dose to increase gains, so this cycle was still worthwhile. I have run many many compounds before, yes to you sonic waste. I used some suspension for a kickstart, i just want the most out of this cycle. thank you for your replies.