bro, i will never run a cycle without forma being involved in it either on cycle or during pct... its so fucking awesome all the way around and so versatile... it has so many qualities to it... you will absolutely love it... when you rub it on, rub it on your chest and abs... 10 pumps a day is what i do... its the most aggressive dosing method... 5 in the a.m. and 5 in the p.m.