RG has a point.
I believe his statement was right, but he was focusing more on TIME than on the roid. agreed 10 weeks + needs (or SHOULD have) HCG ... but isnt REALLY needed.
hell you dont NEED clomid, to be honest. you can lose lots of gains and not use it ... its up to the individual whether he wants to spin wheels and do nothing.
But i do agree cycles of ANY length with nandrolone or trenbolone SHOULD include HCG
NFG