Avodart and Some Gyno Issues

[thatkidd]

Hey guys, having an issue here and found a similar thread on this forum that somewhat addressed my issue...can't post the link cuz I have less than 25 post. The title is "Avodart gave me gyno" by Split Endz

I have been on Propecia for 4-5 years and have recently added in Avodart twice a week. I used to have some puffy nipple problems, but i recently lost about 20 pounds and that issue went away, my chest looked good.

I've been on the Avodart 2x a week for about a month now and have noticed some puffy nipples again...pretty damn bad. Makes me very uncomfortable. I've also noticed some increase in weight around my stomach and love handles. My nipples aren't sensitive at all, no lumps or anything (MIGHT BE A LUMP NOW) that is a sign of gyno..but it definitely looks like it pretty bad.

So I believe what's happening is the Avodart is stopping the conversion into DHT, which is great for my hair, but the extra testosterone is being converted into estrogen possibly. This is not good.

What is my best bet to fight this estrogen? In this thread they mention "Then You can drop your forma-stanzol dose doen to 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm ( bottle last 8 weeks at this dose) and stay on this. I think its still better that you switch over to a 100% natural selective estrogen receptor modulator/aromatase inhibitor kind of a product after this though. It will be better for your overall health. Or even dropping the forma-stanzol down to as low as 3 pumps am and pm.."

I would rather do something as natural as possible, or non prescription. And do you all think this issue might just work itself out if I give it time? I do workout and run...but honestly I noticed the nipple puffyness all of the sudden and its freaking me out.

Thanks for any help guys...really appreciate it.

 

[thatkidd]

Any input guys? I'm really lost as to what to do.

I wanted to have better hair...now I'm more worried about my chest than anything else this sucks...

I want to stay on Avodart, is this even possible? Can I stay on it and take something to reduce the estrogen? Or do I need to stop Avodart ASAP and take something to remove the puffyness and never get on Avodart again?

Should I just set up an appointment with an Endocrinologist? I'm scared they will just tell me not to take Avo and wont want to give me any prescription to help out with the gyno...ugh this is terrible.

I also think there might be a tiny little lump under my left nipple...feels almost like a BB...

 

[thatkidd]

Anyone? I have an appointment with an Endocrinologist on Friday...hoping to get some things straightened out.

 

[badboybounce]

yes it increases estrogen an yes if u want to stay on u will hav to fight the estrogen,letro if u hav gyno or arimidex to prevent if no lumps etc or aromisin

 

[badboybounce]

PROPECIA/AVODART GROWS MORE THAN HAIR!

Kelly here- You may have heard about and be familiar with the sexual side effects of the 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, finasteride ( Propecia /Proscar) and dutasteride (Avodart) and their “reported incidence”.
Real world feedback, however, over the last 14 years would seem to indicate that about half of all users experience some sort of sexual side effect- a far cry above the 2% stated in the Physicians Desk Reference,(PDR).
Remember though that “data” reported for publication in the PDR is happily provided by the drug manufacturer.
As if sexual effects weren’t bad enough, a rarely mentioned, yet often occurring side effect is male breast enlargement, medically termed Gynecomastia.
Known as “Gyno” in bodybuilding speak, breast enlargement is a chronic condition that generally requires surgery that is often botched, to correct. It can leave deep “X’ shaped incision scars (which I’ve seen firsthand) where a nipple once resided.
Once Gyno manifests it can be minimized with aromatase inhibitors but almost never eradicated, except with a dicey at best “cosmetic” surgical procedure, meaning NO insurance coverage.
What’s outrageous is that Gyno wasn’t even listed in the PDR as a possible side effect of Proscar until several years after it came out.
Even sadder is that it is so easily prevented with the concurrent use of aromatase inhibitors, but they are NEVER recommended.
Your prescribing physician may tell you that Propecia is a safe drug with a low incidence of “reversible” side effects, but remember he has only been spoon fed info from the PDR, Merck Manual, and pharmaceutical sales reps, who never say anything to compromise drug sales.
One physician friend asserted there is no evidence that Propecia raises estrogen in men.
Technically he was right. A review of the medical literature didn’t reveal any studies that measured estrogen levels per se in response to 5 alpha reductase inhibitors.
However the medical literature is rife with case studies and studies reporting gynecomastia with both finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) and dutasteride (Avodart) that can generally only occur when estrogen levels rise in men.
So how could Gyno be occurring at such a published frequency if estrogen levels weren’t being raised???
Here is a small sampling of some of the many citations in the medical literature on the subject.
Schmutz JL, Barbaud A, Trechot P.
[Finasteride (Propecia) and gynecomastia: 4 new cases]
Ann Dermatol Venereol. 2004 Jun-Jul;131(6-7 Pt 1):615. French

Lee SC, Ellis RJ.
Male breast cancer during finasteride therapy.
J Natl Cancer Inst. 2004 Feb 18;96(4):338-9. No abstract available.
PMID: 14970289

Ferrando J, Grimalt R, Alsina M, Bulla F, Manasievska E.
Unilateral gynecomastia induced by finasteride

Schmutz JL, Barbaud A, Trechot P.
[Gynecomastia and finasteride]
Ann Dermatol Venereol. 2001 May;128(5):691. French

Miller JA, Pramanik B, Gilhooly P.
Waxing and waning gynecomastia: an indication of noncompliant use of prescribed medication.

Staiman VR, Lowe FC.
Tamoxifen for flutamide/finasteride-induced gynecomastia.
Urology. 1997 Dec;50(6):929-33.
Carlin BI, Seftel AD, Resnick MI, Findlay J.
Finasteride induced gynecomastia.
J Urol. 1997 Aug;158(2):547.

Green L, Wysowski DK, Fourcroy JL.
Gynecomastia and breast cancer during finasteride therapy.
N Engl J Med. 1996 Sep 12;335(11):823.

Volpi R, Maccarini PA, Boni S, Chiodera P, Coiro V.
Case report: finasteride-induced gynecomastia in a 62-year-old man.
Am J Med Sci. 1995 Jun;309(6):322-5

This particular study, which we’ll give you abstract on, was the most unsettling-where finasteride compliance was actually monitored by the presence or lack of gyno !!!
South Med J. 1999 Jun;92(6):615-7.

Waxing and waning gynecomastia: an indication of noncompliant use of prescribed medication.
Department of Radiology, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark 07039, USA.
We present cases of recurrent gynecomastia in men enrolled in a placebo-controlled trial evaluating the efficacy of finasteride in treating benign prostatic hyperplasia. When the pharmacologic records were examined, it was apparent that the breast tissue hyperplasia diminished when the patients become noncompliant with their study medication and then resumed therapy. Because of the difficulty in obtaining accurate data on an individual's ability to maintain a consistent pharmacologic regimen, we believe that observing such "waxing and waning gynecomastia" may provide the physician with a clue regarding a patient's actual compliance with certain medications.
Our advice-if you chose to use either Propecia/Proscar or Avodart for hair growth, do so with Aromatase inhibitors of which there are many, both pharmaceutical and plant based.
Or forego finasteride and avodart altogether and use natural compounds that reliably reduce serum DHT.
The minimal effects on hair growth and hair loss prophylaxis provided by these drugs are not worth dealing with the possibility of chronic breast enlargement.
Our advice-if you chose to use either Propecia/Proscar or Avodart for hair growth, do so with Aromatase inhibitors of which there are many, both pharmaceutical and plant based.
Or forego finasteride and avodart altogether and use natural compounds that reliably reduce serum DHT.
The minimal effects on hair growth and hair loss prophylaxis provided by these drugs are not worth dealing with the possibility of chronic breast enlargement.



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[thatkidd]

Thanks for the replies. So I am meeting with an Endocrinologist on Friday. If he won't prescribe me anything or can't be much help, I guess I should just buy Letro? I have stopped Avodart and don't belieive I will get back on.

What about forma stanzol? That seems to have good reviews...

Is that link you posted the only place to get it (because it is sold out) where else could I get it?

Don't yall think it is crazy that 8 pills of Avodart caused me to grow these puffy nips??? I think there might be a little BB of hardness behind the left one too...that just absolutely blow my mind that 4mg total of Avodart over one month could do this...