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Z||000000||willsa||01-24-2000||10:09 AM||||Want to start my first cycle.  Been a pretty steady lifter since highschool.  About 4-5 days a week.  One muscle per day.  28 yrs old, 5'11" 220lbs, medium size, larger on top with probably high body fat especially in the gut. Been off the beer for a while.<P>Anyway, been doing a lot of reading and it seems some sort of  primo/sust/deca/d-bol combo is what first timers use.  I would like to gain some lean muscle mass and size and keep the results without much in the side effects area.  I've done the creatine/protein/andro products and pretty much wasted my money.  <P>What sort of cycle would you recommend from the above and would I need to take any Novadex/Proviron/or Clomid when doing some kind of combo with the above?  I don't want to mess myself up so your help would be greatly appreciated.<P>Lastly, which do you recommend for more research (Anabolic Advantage or the WAR)?<BR>||137.240.240.244||reg||
Z||000001||physcopump||01-24-2000||01:13 PM||lats_d@hotmail.com||primo's too expensive, i'd go with sust/dbol/deca, typical cycle would be 500mg/sust/wk, 25mg/dbol/day and pyramid the deca 200-400-200. always have nolvadex just in case and always finish with three weeks of clomid.||207.236.90.34||reg||
Z||000002||scourge||01-24-2000||02:13 PM||jon@ilumin.com||I'll address your last question first.<BR>I would get both, although if its a money problem WAR would be my choice.<P><BR>Second, can you afford a Sus/primo/deca stack for an 8-10 week cycle?  I would personally opt to leave of the primo for now though. If you do that I'd suggest the following recipe.<P>Week    Sustanon     Deca      Clomid<BR>1       1cc          200mg<BR>2       1cc          200mg<BR>3       2cc          200mg<BR>4       2cc          200mg<BR>5       2cc          200mg<BR>6       1cc          200mg<BR>7       1cc          200mg<BR>8       ---          200mg<BR>9       ---           ---       100mg/day<BR>10      ---           ---       50mg/day<P>||204.228.149.190||reg||
Z||000003||willsa||01-24-2000||03:53 PM||||To physcopump/Scourge:  Most of the info I have gotten says 250mg/sust/wk is more than enough for a beginner.  Also 15-20mg/day/dbol with 200mg deca.  Just curious on why the high mgs?<BR>Would the above not give me enough gains in a 8 wk cycle?<BR>Also if primo were available what would be the better cycle?<BR>I only want to do one cycle (8 wks) and then be off for a long time so I'm pretty much going by what suggestions I receive here.<BR>Still have plenty of Andro and creatine left. Is it cool to take along with cycle?<BR>Thanks again for your help.<P><BR>                ||137.240.240.244||reg||