Re: BOOST TESTO / HGH , SUPPLEMENT AND RESULT

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: : It seems that a lot of people are confused about supplementation, : : boost of testo, H-GH and mass gain : : I don't pretend to know everything about supplementation but : : i would like to give you some basics : : I have just read some BB magazines and i really think they take their readers : : for idiots. : : You can read in a lot of BB magazines this kind of declaration: : : "it's possible to increase the level of H-GH and testosterone : : by using non-hormonal supplementation like Amino acid and deprenyl (for instance)" : : and they give the reference of a medical study : : Generally you have 3 possibilities : : 1) this "study" was made on laboratory mices by a "M.D". : : -> forget it : : 2) this study was made on a small group of people (10 ) by some physicians : : and sponsorised by a private company or lobby. : : -> forget it, i remenber having read that tabacco was absolutely not linked : : with any cancer or that abortion induces cancer...... : : 3) a medical study published in a medical newpapers (it's not always a garanted) : : by physicians(=M.D+ real patients): : : Usual medicale reference but generally tested people are old (65>) or are : : menopaused female .... : : It works because it corrects a disorder induced by a defiency but is totally : : irrelevant for a young male of 25yo . Generally the studies is very clear on this matter : : but guru s extrapolate in order to have something to write in their magazines every month (i guess) : : H-GH : : If you take arginine and ornithine 3 hours after your last meal i'm sure : : it will boost your H-GH, but for 15 minutes only because you body self-regulate : : If your are less than 40yo, when your body need H-GH, is able to produce it by itself : : without any problem :for instance when you sleep, when you work out intensively : : [for older people, it's different] : : That's why you can not hope to have any results from a such (short) boost : : So you can dump all the H-GH or IG-F releasers : : Testo : : It's the same phenomena, you can take all the suplementation drug you wants( including deprenyl), if they don't : : act directly on your gonade (like zinc , hcg, saw palmetto ...) they won't do anything for you mass gain because : : if there is any increase, your body will quickly auto regulate : : [If you have a defiency it's different] : : Drink one liter of skim milk and you will see that your testo will increase during 15 min : : Eat a creamy ice-cream and you will see that your testo will drop during 30 min : : Do you consider skim milk like a testo-releaser ? Please : : Zinc is different because it's directly involved in the testosterone production : : Saw palmetto acts at another level and both improve the efficiency of the self-regulation : : mechanism, it helps the body to adjust his hormone level or the sensitivity of the body when he needs too : : : : If you want to improve your level of H-GH or testo at supra-normal level : : i'm afraid you have no other choice but to take H-GH and testo : : But it's absolutely not necessary to gain muscle, it's necessay to gain 20lb of : : muscle in one month : : WHen I hear a 25yo bodybuilder of 230lb which ask me to begin a AS supplementation : : because he shows me a screening where his testo level is low, i laugh and i show : : him a picture of someone who has really a testo insufficient and he laughs. : : After one week without training,his testo soars and he is suprised because : : he has gained mass : : : : : Thanks for donating your time and expertise to us : You're right about the BS in mags and most supplements : suck. On another board we did a "all time award : winning ripoff supplements that SUCK" listing and : alot of BB participated. If I understand your post, : deprenyl does NOT stimulate gonadotropin release?? : Another Jeff

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