Re: 3 Questions for Dr. L


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Posted by RZ on February 04, 1997 at 14:14:20:

In Reply to: Re: 3 Questions for Dr. L posted by Dr L on February 04, 1997 at 13:42:02:

: : : : Dr. L

: : : : In your prior posts you mentioned the term 'testicular insufficient'.
: : : : By that , do you mean low free
: : : : testosterone and/or low total testosterone (~300-400ng/dl)?
: : : =Low total testosterone <600 for a <30
: : : If you have normal total testo but low free it's another problem
: : : generally it appears for obese male
: : : Low-mild total testo and high free testo is seen in obese female
: : : : Why not make use of Testolactone(Teslac) instead of proviron? Cost?
: : : Teslac is not a AS ,it prevents the conversion of testo in female hormone
: : : Provirion is an androgen which doesn't aromatize in female hormone
: : : It's slighty different, you can use proviron alone but you need to use teslac with a testosterone-like
: : : otherwise it's useless
: : : : Would adding Deca (~200 - 400 mg/week for 6-8wks)
: : : : to the Proviron/Oxandrolone stack defeat the purpose?
: : : you can not help you to stack up AS ! The more you stack the more
: : : you are likely to get acute side effects. Stop to always think in term of cycle
: : : i have already explained than longer, fewer is better and safer
: : : 50-150mg/ week of deca is sufficient, you can use Proviron/Oxandrolone
: : : or proviron/deca which is more potent but less safe.
: : :

: : : : Would this make hypogonadism worse?
: : : of course
: : : : terms of nitrogen retention
: : : with deca it would be improved BUT side effects too
: : : and finally you might be compelled to stop this "cycle with deca" earlier than "without deca"
: : : Do you want to improve slightly your nitrogen retention during 2 months or 4?
: : : recovery aid and possibly helping with joint pains associated with lifting.
: : : I can't say, i'm not enough skilled in BB, generally joint pain get worse with/after AS
: : : :
: : : : Thank you very much for answers and contributions.

: : Thanks for the info. Dr. L. So as a matter of review,
: : Let's say a 31 yo male has the following
: : hormonal profile:

: : total testo of ~350 ng.dl,
: TOO LOW for 31 yo
: : free testo of 17 pg/ml (normal should be 18-39,I
: : think).
: LOW
: : %free testo .47
: : LH ~5.3-8.4 MIU/ML
: OK
: : FSH ~3.2 MIU/ML
: NORMAL,LOW
: : estrogen 67 PG/ML
: TOO HIGH
: : Body Type: Mostly Endo
: : BF: 12-13%
: : Wt.: 198 lbs
: : Ht: 5'7"
: : no gyno, susciptible(sic) to hair loss:RELEVANT
: : testes size: normal :RELEVANT

:
: There is something wrong, if it was a true testes insufficient,
: his LH would be much higher

: Has this guy already used AS ? what,how much,how long, recently ?

: : This male follows an excellent diet and intense
: : exercise 4 times a week.

: Before i answer i'm waiting your answer about his previous AS use
: because it changes everything
:
: : Then if one follows your advise correctly then
: : he should the following:

: : a) it appears that this person is a type 1 based
: : on your previous postings. Therefore:
: : b) start at 10 mg of Provirion a day for 1st week and try
: : to reach 25mg by the end of the month. Take
: : a blood test and make sure LH is above 0.5.

: : So the questions are (please forgive me for repeating
: : what you might have already covered):

: : 1) Should one stay at 25mg of Proviron for life
: : or increase to 40 mg a day (for life)? Or
: : should one take Provirion until testo elevates
: : to ~600 and then stop?

:
: : 2) We have discussed oxandrolone and you have
: : stated that 40mg for 45 days is safe and effective.
: : Is there a time in the Provirion administration
: : period that one should start oxandrolone or at
: : any time of therapy (i.e should one wait a few weeks
: : after start of Proviron therapy or at the start)?

: : 3) There has been some who say that oxandrolone
: : has caused them indegestion problems. In your
: : experience how should one administer this drug?
: : In small divided doses? Before, with or after meals?
: It doesn't matter, it depends for each people
: usually it's better to take it with the main meal

: : Thanks again for your help


Dr. L

This person was perscirbed Testosterone Cypionate
BY HIS PHYSICIAN (please let me stress this as this
was not a case of self perscription) at a dose of
1.5 cc per MONTH for 5 MONTHS at the age of 27.
At that time the testosterone was 450 ng/dl and
this person was complaining about low energy and
fatigue. Following the therapy, obviously the
free testosteorone rose but total testosterone
dropped to the 300 levels which is where they
are now. 15 lbs of lean body mass was gained.

This person was told by a sports medicine dr.
that he might have a case of hyperprolactenimia (
about 3 years later - at the age of 30)
and was taking Bromociptine (2.5mg/day for 30 days)
and deprenyl (5mg every two days) for 1 to 2 months.

Absolutely no other therapy applied. No AS use
without the guidance of a physician.



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