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Z||000002||WarLobo||12-23-2000||02:32 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||I got to think there was some sort of error. 35%?!?! Well, if that's how 35% looks then fuck it. You look damn good. Anyhow, the best thing you can do right now is to keep talking about it and don't let it eat you up inside. I have no idea how hard it has been for you, i'm just speaking from what i've gone through.
One time I heard the saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger", and I truly believe this. I try to look at difficult times as opportunities for growth; I know this can be difficult at the time. We're all human! You have come a long way, don't forget that. The pictures that you have posted before are definately inspiring, and you have worked your ass off to get to where you are. Perhaps this is the time to revamp your workout routine, try something new!
How often do you have your bf tested?
I seriously doubt that you will quit, because you said above that you don't want to. NEVER GIVE UP! ||152.163.205.81||reg||
Z||000002||WarLobo||12-23-2000||02:32 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||I got to think there was some sort of error. 35%?!?! Well, if that's how 35% looks then fuck it. You look damn good.
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Z||000003||msg||12-23-2000||02:32 PM||lildev0426@ziplip.com||take it from a male perspective. you look damn good! i would feel lucky to have a girl as nice looking as you by my side as i am sure most guys would! i do not care what those calipers said. would you rather look fat and get a reading of 15% just because it is in all the wrong places?
keep up the good work girl. besides there are many reasons to work out, not just to get a low bf%. i am sure your body is HEALTHY, and that is what matters most in the end.
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Z||000004||F1hybrid||12-23-2000||03:06 PM||badknees@freedom.net||Get a grip on yourself!!!!!!!
Email me the skinfold measures. I've done well over 1000 of these measures. There is no way that your thigh can be 40 mm and your calf 8 mm.
I seriously doubt that you are 35%. I know what 35% looks like. Attach a good photo minus the face.
What were the results of the digital BF monitor?
If you are planning to come to the Arnold, let me know and I'll body comp you.
F1||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000005||skydancer||12-23-2000||03:13 PM||skydancer43@hotmail.com||I like what Lobo said...if you are 35% bf fuck it...you look great. I think there was an error somewhere.
YOU HAVE TO GO BY HOW YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR. Like you said, you have more muscle showing than most females you know. Getting bf is like getting on the scale...don't put a hell of a lot into it if you know you are doing everything right and you LOOK AND FEEL GOOD!!!!||209.234.161.109||reg||
Z||000006||Monster||12-23-2000||03:26 PM||monster@musclemail.com||35%!!!!!!!!
You must have one FAT-ASS-HEAD!
Ive seen all the other parts of you, and I dont see anything that LOOKS like 35% bf! So it musy be that you have some humongous ridiculous fat-head.
Screw the calipers, just like screw the scale, I had a friend get tested with calipers last weekend. He has abs starting to show, a good amount of seperation in his muscles, some striation (mild) in his delts and quads, and a little bit of vascularity. The guy tested him out at 22%!
This is a trainer at the gym who is PAYED to do this test! I watched, and as far as I could see he did it right, but there is NO WAY my friend is 22% and looks the way he does. Just like there is NO WAY YOU are 35% (unless you DO have that big giant fat-head, I never saw your face before... mabye you do? )||24.4.252.150||reg||
Z||000007||F1hybrid||12-23-2000||04:36 PM||badknees@freedom.net||Hey, I'm a trainer at a gym and people pay me for body comps BUT, I generally don't *uck them up, and they are easy to *uck up, I see it all the time. It takes years of practice to get good at measuring skinfolds. Most of these moron trainers out there read a book, pick up some calipers and go at it. It also depends what formula you use. They are specific for race, age, gender, etc. I taught a body composition practicum for 6 years and my students sweated out the end of the quarter exam, but they at least had some idea of what they were doing.
Based upon my observations over the years, if you have visible abs, you are probably under 14%, ripped abs, less than 8%.
If you have access to a body composition lab at a university, find the lab director and have them do an underwater weighing along with skinfolds. Better yet, find someone that has a DEXA, most medical teaching universities have them in the radiology dept. Have them scan you, it will give you bone density as well.
I only use body composition analysis to monitor diet, supplement use, etc. If you are happy with the way you look, then numbers mean nothing.
F1 ||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000008||Iron God||12-23-2000||04:54 PM||irongod@hushmail.com||
quote:
Originally posted by F1hybrid:If you have access to a body composition lab at a university, find the lab director and have them do an underwater weighing along with skinfolds. Better yet, find someone that has a DEXA, most medical teaching universities have them in the radiology dept. Have them scan you, it will give you bone density as well.
F1
The method that F1 describes is the only true way, then also get your skin folds done that base line you gage whether otr not you have gained BF..Caliper by themselves SUCK.
ALOT OF YOU are delusioned about your BF %I've seen your pics and your body fat are not as low as you think they are...But TN you are NO WAY 35% at most I would say 18% or 19% based on your pics..
GET THE SUBMERSION TEST DONE AND YOU WILL TRULY KNOW YOUR BF..I do this every 3 to 6 months. Only costs 40 bucks or so.And most BIG schools have them.
IG
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Z||000009||edgecrusher||12-23-2000||05:52 PM||mikebethdo120@aol.com||From my classes I have taken this semester I have come to find out that clipers on average have an error of 5% in either direction. So even if his #'s are right you could still be any where from 30 - 40%.
I am a trainer as well, and I have just worked with an individual who was 35% BF. Trust me when I say that you look nothing like her. She was saggy fat, with the muscletone of a newborn infant. Judging from the pics you have posted, there is no way in hell you are anywhere near that %.
And if it makes you feel any better I can not get a bodycomp done on myself w/ calipers either. Last time I had a trainer I worked with take my %'s he had me at 15. So I had someone else take it as well, she got 18%. That same week I had my submerssion test done, after my computations I came out to 8%.
Anyway, don't worry about the damn #'s in the long run they mean nothing. Just look in the mirror and inside yourself and know you've worked hard for what you got. And what you got looks pretty damned good!!!||149.151.1.101||reg||
Z||000010||tnheygirl||12-23-2000||06:03 PM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||Ok I just took this and called to get my exact measurements. I put them on the pict.
Except for about 5 pounds of puffiness from the sust and my monthly cycle this is it.apparently most of the 48.whatever pounds of fat is in my hips and thighs.
[This message has been edited by tnheygirl (edited December 23, 2000).]||63.22.111.205||reg|| Z||000011||Iron God||12-23-2000||06:10 PM||irongod@hushmail.com||NO WAY.......
Get it done again!!!!
IG||209.236.133.200||reg|| Z||000012||tnheygirl||12-23-2000||06:32 PM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||Monster here's my fat head. Talking as usual.
I will go and be tested at UofM if possible next week. But I'm telling you the guy who did my bf is 54yrs. old owns the gym and has been doing bf a long time. After I threw a fit he did the thighs again. Would the sust have any bearing on the measurements and the fact that I'm very bloated?
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Z||000013||SassyS||12-23-2000||06:42 PM||latexss@yahoo.com||Im sure there was something wrong with this persons calculations. I have had similar experiences, with gaining 4 to 5% BF on a test, when I KNEW my BF had actually dropped approx. 4 -5 %.. Im sure youll get it all figured out. In the meantime, pretend like that number was never mentioned to you. You look great!||207.86.230.96||reg||
Z||000014||Warik||12-23-2000||06:43 PM||||IGNORE THE CALIPER TEST!!!
I've fallen victim to the inaccurate caliper test a billion times - no more. A few months ago my bodyfat was measured to be about 18%. You could tell just by looking at me that I shouldn't even be close to that. My chest skinfold? A few millimeters. My quad? A few millimeters. My abs? A LOT of millimeters. Did I have a gut? No. Was I fat looking at all? No. The sole reason that my bodyfat measured that high was because of a bunch of millimeters in my perfectly-fine looking stomach which threw off the whole test.
I, personally, consider those hand-held thingees that they use at college health centers to be more accurate than those stupid calipers, but even then, you shouldn't pay enough mind to it to get yourself upset.
There's only one bodyfat test that you should pay any mind to - the mirror test. And if you don't mind my being a mirror for a few seconds, you look great.
-Warik||208.61.9.52||reg|| Z||000015||3ccEOD||12-23-2000||06:58 PM||ironguru@msn.com||I agree with IG and F1.
I can tell you from experience that you are not 35%. Riptchick's best friend is very, very overweight--clinically obese. She was taking orlistat. Before that she had to get a bodyfat percentage done to see if the insurance would cover the prescription. Her friend told me that she was 35%. There is absolutely no way you are carrying that much fat on your frame. Bottom line the guy messed up--get it redone.||24.247.48.40||reg||
Z||000016||Iron God||12-23-2000||07:00 PM||irongod@hushmail.com||I think Monster is right your head being 3/4 of you total body mass may skew the result greatly. It's a miracle you could even keep your balance 
||209.236.133.200||reg|| Z||000017||tnheygirl||12-23-2000||07:26 PM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||Iron God hahahahhahahhaha oh my that is funny! ooooOOO very funny! Thanks for the laugh! I will have to show that to Brutus when he gets home!hehheheee||63.14.139.90||reg|| Z||000018||Dexter||12-23-2000||08:34 PM||smith_dexter@box43.pl||I remember my first "body fat" measurement two years ago: 28%!!!! I looked at myself in the mirror and couldn't believe it!.
Then I had a second check and it was 18% at 175 lbs. Now, I guess it's around 12-13% at 185 lbs. at 5' 8" (short).
But does it really matter what the numbers are, unless you're competing?
Isn't it cool to slip on a new skirt or pair of slacks that would have been previously unimaginable? And feel good about it,knowing you've made real progress?
To me, this is all what it is about: Health and Fitness. But cheers to the competitive bodybuilders! You'll never see Dex on stage.
Dexter
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Z||000019||WarLobo||12-23-2000||08:41 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||BWAhhhhhhh. IG gets the Golded Lobo award for that one!
T, go look at the last photo I put up of my wife... look real good at the hips and face. Now I made her get a few BF tests so we could see where and how things were improving. She came in at @34% on several different tests.
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Lobo||172.160.184.171||reg|| Z||000020||Monster||12-23-2000||09:12 PM||monster@musclemail.com||WOOO HOOO HOOOO! Now that is one big head!
Hey, you arent talking about U of M as in Michigan are you? Im well known there! Especially in the endocrinology department!!!||24.4.252.150||reg||
Z||000021||tnheygirl||12-23-2000||09:49 PM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||Monster no it's university of memphis!||63.14.139.90||reg||
Z||000022||Monster||12-23-2000||09:54 PM||monster@musclemail.com||DUH! "tn"... tennesse! Ok, Im with it now...
Too bad, I might have been able to find someone to do it for free.
Hell, if I get to see you floating in a pool of water, I'LL PAY!
Heh heh, anyway... not matter what anything says, you are NO WAY 35%.||24.4.252.151||reg||
Z||000023||luv2workout||12-23-2000||11:01 PM||shanshan3@ivillage.com||Tnheygirl,
Girl, look at your pics..look at your before pics and now hold up the one you just posted..How can you be upset? You look so much better than 6mts? ago..you need to be proud of yourself for what you've accomplished..There is no way your 35%bf!!! Dont even worry about getting it redone, your picts are enough proof!||205.188.199.54||reg||
Z||000024||TEXASAMM||12-24-2000||12:10 AM||texasamm@hushmail.com||Tnheygirl,
Your physique really looks great,honestly,and you are extremely good looking and have great legs.You are not 35%BF.And I know that you are not where you want to be yet.None of us are!But we are getting there.You are getting there.You look great in a swimsuit and you will definitly turn some heads this summer.You can do that now.YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO FEEL LIKE GIVING UP!You have made an incredible amount of changes to your body.Extremely impressive and extraordinary.
This little setback of yours is just that a setback, 1 little setback.But really it isn't. It is a mistake you are not 35%BF.You look great and you are going to look better.So wipe those tears, I have done this myself an many occasions.And get back at it!!
BECAUSE REALLY WHAT ELSE YOU GONNA DO! You know, once you get bit with this bug we got,you can't go back to being a couch potato.....SAMM
Sorry so long ,I really hope this helps .You were a big help to TEXASAMM'S GURL
[This message has been edited by TEXASAMM (edited December 24, 2000).]||216.215.68.145||reg|| Z||000025||bikinimom||12-24-2000||01:00 AM||bikinimom@hotmail.com||OK - I'm tired and I REALLY need some sleep, but I just couldn't go until I posted for you girl. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE BODY SHOWN IN THAT PHOTO IS 35%BF, OK?!
I haved the numbers from my VERY FIRST bf test taken in Mar of 2000 when I was FAT as a little piggy, before my first competition:
Pec = 3
Subscapular = 9
Bicep = 3
Tricep = 8
Kidney = 15
Supriliac = 7
Abdominals = 6
Quadricep = 17
Calf = 12
Bodyweight 122 (I am 5' 3 1/2")
17%bf
21.5# bf
100.5#lbm
I looked like the Pilssbury fucking doughboy!
Tonite I went shopping for a Christmas outfit and I was supposed to be dieting for a shoot, but called it off as I got sick once again - so I listened to my body (and IG and FC) and took some much needed time off. I haven't seen the inside of the gym since LAST SATURDAY. The closest thing I done to physical activity was bake cookies. Diet? WHAT DIET?! Hell, I actually had a beer! WOO-HOO!! Anyway, I went shopping at Limited (a store where the clothing would ALWAYS BE TOO BIG, NO MATTER HOW SMALL the clothing was cut) - I tried on size 2 (a bit tight, but still good) and size 4 (fit perfectly) and you know what?! I've got to be mid 130's (don't own a scale) and I LOOK SMOKING! OK?! Use your mirror FUCK THE REST! You are not getting ready for competition, so don't sweat it!!!!
Now snap out of it or I will bitch-slap you!
....and that is an order! 
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Z||000026||Daeo||12-24-2000||01:24 AM||machemb@hotmail.com||I can't believe you have a 40mm measurement on your thigh. Just doesn't seem right to me. Did he do the measurement with a GOOD pair of calipers or some plastic pieces of shit? Right now my ab measurement is around 28-30mm and it looks ALOT fatter than your thigh does. My quad on the other hand is only 7mm so go figure. Anyway don't dwell on the numbers too much. Go with how you look and feel about yourself. Believe me, everyone that has seen your photographs thinks you look amazing ||206.74.46.15||reg||
Z||000027||tnheygirl||12-24-2000||02:35 AM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||Well hell if I could reach through this pc I'd demand a group hug!hehee You people should be running a suicide hotline or somthing! I really do appreciate everyone taking time out of your day, not to mention 2 days before Christmas to pep me up as well as sharing your stories. Guess what, all I can say is God works in mysterious ways! Apparently, one of the trainers at my gym could see the pure terror on my face today as I left. He left a message saying he would train me and in exchange for his services he would get to use my before pics(the ones with a head) along with my after pics(which will also have my big head) which he will have taken when he thinks I'm ready. He knew from a previous conversation I couldn't afford a trainer! Again, thank you and as much as we sometimes share here I think we should plan a end of the summer cancun trip or somthing to meet the people we spend so much time talking to.
ps. Bmom-Save the bitch slap I may need it later!
Texas-That was one long damn post!heehee thanks bro tell the misses hi!||63.22.111.173||reg||
Z||000028||MR. BMJ||12-24-2000||02:43 AM||mrbmj32@hotmail.com||Funny Picture to head picture. LOL
Anyway, those caliper measurements a WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!
You are not at 35% bodyfat! I'll definately have to go with the advice of F1 to get them done at a "major" university. I will put anything on the line that these are wrong. As a matter of fact, if you are 35%, then I'll post my damn pictures for the hell of it. But your not, so I don't have to worry about doing this. The only pictures I have of myself are those 2 weeks after my bout of food poisoning this last summer, and I was at around 6-7% in the photos. I was tested at 14% by a supposed to be "expert" at my gym whom claimed he had very legit experience. This 14 percent would mean that I only lost around 3% from my pre-diet pictures of around 17% and around 20 weeks of dieting. BULLSHIT!!! I was in your same shoes and every person in the gym was almost chanting BULLSHIT too. I had just measured out with an AB pinch of 5mm that week before my food poisoning. I know how you are feeling, and you need to pick yourself back up and ignore those results. I'll vouch for F1 when he says that most supposed to be experts can be totally off. I have my own calipers and by no means have down the proper technique of pinching even after using them for a couple of years. Skin pinching is an art that many will never get right. It really takes a quite awhile for someone to say that they have it down. Listen to F1 on this trust me.
BTW, on a somewhat personal note, and not trying to get all juicy and stuff, but you are a very attractive gal. You have a very attractive body and have a great deal of natural facial beauty. Definately, you are my type of woman. That Brutus guy of yours is one lucky bastard, and should be proud to be with you. For what it is worth, I hope this cheers you up some, and hey, who better to judge you than a any of us males.
MR. BMJ||152.163.205.76||reg||
Z||000029||F1hybrid||12-24-2000||06:20 AM||badknees@freedom.net||I'll work on the posted measures and see what I come up with. Thigh is not correct, that is for sure. I'll post or email the results in a couple of days.
Happy Holidays All.
F1||206.65.164.196||reg||
Z||000030||TEXASAMM||12-24-2000||09:42 AM||texasamm@hushmail.com||Sorry Tnheygirl,
I could just feel your terror,Your feelings of defeat.And it scared me.I could hear you slipping down into that depressed hole that is so easy to go to but so difficult to escape from.When I started writing I was just going to say "Hey hang in there you can do it."But I immediately flashed back to my first few years of bodybuilding and it was 1985 and I was 128lbs. again.AAAAAHHGG!!!
I'm glad you are feeling better.You sound like you are on top of it again.YEA!!!...SAMM||216.215.86.196||reg||
Z||000031||BuffBlondie||12-24-2000||10:30 AM||buffchick2@aol.com||Hey woman-
Sounds like you're feeling better about stuff! Whew, huh?!
I don't know if this has any relevance to bodyfat testing or not, but just my observation - one day this summer, I took a skinfold measurement of my thigh, first thing in the morning. Later on in the day, I took another one, same place. The measurement from later in the day came out a few mm's higher than the morning one...
I just thought that was interesting...
I take skinfolds of my clients, and always recommend that they have them done in the morning, if possible, prior to their workout.
Your thigh measurement still has me boggled...thighs can be really tricky, especially when you're muscular. It can be really easy to pinch muscle...
I think I would much rather go by how my clothes are fitting rather than have measurements done, cause my brain tends to freak out about numbers and measurements.
You look great, you'll continue to look great, and you're going to make some awesome progress in 2001! Am I right?! Have a very merry one!
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Z||000032||new@gettinbig||12-24-2000||11:53 AM||j1fit1@hotmail.com||Girl those numbers are wrong!!!! Don't let it discourage you. You look great and do not look any where near 35%!! NO WAY. Keep your head up and don't give up. Never never give up. Its not worth it and you have worked way to hard to give up now. Have some confidence and ignore the numbers. Keep at it and know you look GOOD! Enjoy your holidays!||152.163.194.208||reg||
Z||000033||superdave||12-24-2000||12:05 PM||superdave7@hushmail.com||Thats bullshit, your 20% tops.
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Z||000034||T Bone||12-24-2000||09:50 PM||||I don't care what the numbers say, your body is built just the way I like'em. Your big head too, for that matter. Cutie.
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Z||000035||Pamela||12-25-2000||08:40 AM||||I agree with the rest of the group, no way
you could be 35% BF!
Have it done again!!
YOU LOOK GREAT!! ||63.178.239.75||reg||
Z||000036||muscle102||12-25-2000||03:32 PM||muscle102@yahoo.com||No way in hell are you 35% just done a bf % on a female about your size and she came in at 19%. Keep your head up you look great, Have it rechecked by someone else
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Z||000037||HappyScrappy||12-25-2000||06:09 PM||happyscrappy@hushmail.com||There is no way in hell that is right if that is really you in the pic. if you really care, then pay for the water displacement test at a local college with a serious program that or something.
but there is now way, you look great.
we might be able to tell better if you took another picture with less clothing, you had kind of a lot of stuff on in that last one
||165.247.61.115||reg|| Z||000038||Sniperwolf||12-25-2000||09:07 PM||sniperwolf63@hotmail.com||I know the feeling when you get given stats like that. A few years back I went for a company medical checkup. In the post report it said I was obese, which was the worst rating, and that I needed to take caution as to what I eat in future. It also said that if I can't lose weight that I should have counselling. I couldn't understand it, I was about 210 pounds and 182cm. I had never measured my body fat but I guessed it was only about 10%. I was angry and depressed for the whole day I just couldn't accept those figures. I knew I was in better shape than any of those doctors but they said I was obese. So I demanded more details. Anyway I found out they didn't even take my fat measurement they just used a chart. That chart indicated that I should be about 170 pounds for my height. ||210.129.184.12||reg|| Z||000039||F1hybrid||12-26-2000||08:36 AM||badknees@freedom.net||Alright, here's my estimations.
I ran stepwise linear regressions to estimate what the thigh skinfold should be based on the data I collected from my body comp study on women BBs and fitness competitors and your skinfolds. Some juiced, some not. Did the same for tricep.
What this means is that I used some of the skinfolds that I believed to be realistic to estimate those that I strongly believed were not. A lot of assumptions…….
Based on the calf skinfold, your thigh should be between 15 and 20 mm. I also believe that the tricep skinfold is too large, again based on the other measures. I'm estimating around 16 mm.
One issue that I need clarified. You mentioned that you have Lupus. Have you been on corticosteroids recently (i.e., methylprednisone)? Reason I ask is that glucocorticoids can significantly alter fat distribution. Add in some androgens and one may end up with some atypical patterning.
Regardless, you still shouldn't comp out at 35%.
Here are the numbers.
EVEN IF, I entered the skinfolds as they are you're highest % bodyfat would be 27.3%. If I used estimates for thigh (20 mm), tricep (16 mm), you'd be around 23%. Thus, at a body weight of 137, your fat-mass would be 31.5 lbs and fat-free mass at 105.5 lbs. Looking at the photo, I think you are carrying more than 105.5 lean mass, so the % BF is probably lower.
Personally, I think some of the other skinfold numbers may be in error as well. So it's really hard to tell at this point, but you ARE NOT 35%, could be about 20% but still guessing.
Next time you are at the gym, ask the guy that body comp'd you to re-measure your thigh and tricep. While he has what he thinks is the skinfold, flex the muscle. If the fold pulls out of the caliper and/or his fingers, he has muscle, NOT fat. This is a simple way to verify what he is measuring. If the folds pull out, then he really doesn't know what he's doing and get your money back.
Regarding underwater weighing. For this to be reasonably accurate, you have to be comfortable underwater with NO, I MEAN NO AIR in your lungs. If you can't stay underwater for at least 10 seconds being absolutely still after exhaling ALL the air in your lungs, underwater weighing will not give you good results. If you have any lung problems, prior smoker, etc. UW weighing will NOT give good results. You must also be properly hydrated with no excess intestinal gas. A good lab will also measure (NOT ESTIMATE) residual volume (the quantity of gas in the lungs after you completely and forcefully exhale). In addition, bone density must be normal. Glucocorticoids will lower it and androgens will increase it.
I'd still go with a DEXA vs UW weighing. Then you don't have to worry about lung volumes, intestinal gas, bone density, etc. If you perform the UW weighing correctly, it should be a very uncomfortable and fatiguing experience. If it's not, your numbers won't mean shit and the percent BF will be higher than it should be. Lastly, make sure you have a veteran technician, not some rookie undergraduate that just starting learning the procedure a week ago. They will F*** it up for sure and you'll be more pissed than you are now.
F1
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Z||000040||FitnessChick||12-26-2000||11:09 AM||fitnesschick@hushmail.com||There is nooooo way in hell that those measurements are correct-----let those #s go in one ear & out the other---find yourself somewhere else to get tested because lookingat your pix there is no way that is possible!||209.236.135.178||reg||
Z||000041||JayeLynn||12-26-2000||01:41 PM||greyvulf@hotmail.com||well, ....if youre at 35% then I'm 40-45%. Screw the test, I say. The only gauge that matters worth a hill of beans is youre own judgement and personal satisfaction.
...just call me "Porky".
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Z||000042||tnheygirl||12-26-2000||01:51 PM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||I wuv you guys! I did start with a trainer today as stated I would above. I felt like puking at least twice during the workout. Damn those high reps low weights! The only sugar I am allowed is what little bit is in my protein shakes and the little bit in my worstershire sauce I use on my angus ground beef. My body doesn't seem too pleased with it at the moment. I am hoping the sugar cravings will get easier in about a wk.
F1-I am not taking prednisone or anything for the Lupus. I learned a couple of years ago it did not help my flareups at all. It just made me fatter. I am taking the sust again-every 2 wks approx. 50mg.||63.14.165.235||reg|| Z||000043||FitnessChick||12-26-2000||02:04 PM||fitnesschick@hushmail.com||The sugar cravings will subside---I have the same problem for the first 2 weeks of my dieting phases---I crave carbs & sugar like there is no tomorrow---the more protein you intake, the easier I find it is......after 2 weeks you should feel it is a little easier....||209.236.135.178||reg|| Z||000044||F1hybrid||12-26-2000||02:19 PM||badknees@freedom.net||Why high reps, low weight? Why not heavy weight and higher reps? Get a lot more out of that metabolically and with regard to maintaining muscle mass while dieting. High reps and low weights is the best way to lose muscle while dieting and slow down your metabolism. Makes no sense to me. You'll lose just as much if not more fat training heavy and keeping your muscle while modifying the diet somewhat. Perhaps switching to oxandrolone instead of test for a while, or a mix might help? Cycle your carbs. Increase them for a day every 2-3 days.
I'd also be careful how much you stress the system with sudden changes in diet and training. You will perturb the immune system and may trigger a flare-up of lupus.
Might also consider 100-200 mg of DHEA a day for the lupus. See below abstract.
Has the test seemed to reduce the number/severity or frequency of flare-ups?
Title
Treatment of systemic lupus erythematosus with dehydroepiandrosterone: 50 patients treated up to 12 months.
JOURNAL OF RHEUMATOLOGY. vol. 25, no. 2 (1998 Feb): 285-9.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: To determine whether longterm therapy (up to 1 year) with the weakly androgenic adrenal steroid dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is feasible and beneficial in patients with mild to moderate systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE). METHODS: In a prospective, open label, uncontrolled longitudinal study 50 female patients (37 premenopausal, 13 postmenopausal) with mild to moderate SLE were treated with oral DHEA 50-200 mg/day. RESULTS: DHEA therapy was associated with increases in the serum levels of DHEA, DHEA sulfate, and testosterone and, for those patients who continued DHEA, with decreasing disease activity measured by SLE Disease Activity Index score (p < 0.01), patient global assessment (p < 0.01), and physician global assessment (p < 0.05), compared to baseline. Concurrent prednisone doses were reduced (p < 0.05). These improvements were sustained over the entire treatment period. Thirty-four patients (68%) completed 6 months of treatment and 21 patients (42%) completed 12 months. Mild acneiform dermatitis was the most common adverse event (54%). Pre and postmenopausal women experienced similar efficacy and adverse effects from DHEA. CONCLUSION: DHEA was well tolerated and appeared clinically beneficial, with the benefits sustained for at least one year in those patients who maintained therapy.
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Z||000045||landry||12-29-2000||01:50 PM||roblandry@hotmail.com||Is it not possible that the owner of the gym might inflate your bodyfat readings in order to, hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I dunno.................. HIRE ONE HIS PERSONAL TRAINERS!? You look great! Period! There is no way your body fat is that high. Bottom line.||216.232.115.130||reg||
Z||000046||tnheygirl||12-29-2000||02:04 PM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||H1- I am a true believer of DHEA! I actually have gone on and on in several post about the stuff. It helps tremendously but only for a few months at a time. I have to stop and give myself a break because I have to keep increasing the dose for the same effects over time. So I stay on it for 3-4 months at 50-100mg per day then get off of it for 2 months.
As for the light weights/many reps. I am a little confused by your instructions. I do use your concept for everything BUT my legs. The smallest amount of weight used on my legs increases their size. ex-When I first started lifting I would do this:
leg extension machine- 40lbs 20reps
45lbs 15reps
55lbs 12reps and my thighs started increasing again and I couldn't wear my usual jeans anymore. My thighs are big and I am terrified they will keep getting bigger. So what exactly do I do?
Landry- The gym trainer is training me but he is doing it for free. 5 days per wk.
||63.14.139.235||reg|| Z||000047||F1hybrid||12-29-2000||04:35 PM||badknees@freedom.net||Run a tape measure around your mid-thigh (the tape should be mid-hamstring) post the number. What I'd really like to know is what your thigh skinfold is, I'm mean the real number not the one the trainer gave you. I'll let you know if your thighs are really big or if you are just perceiving them as such.
You already know what the problem is, you're just not seeing it nor are you thinking about the right solution. Re-read the last several sentences on your last post. The answer lies there. Does anyone else know what I'm referring to? Hint: the solution doesn't have anything to do with training or diet.
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Z||000048||MP5||12-29-2000||05:29 PM||loadedmp5@yahoo.com||Take it from a man, you are a hottie. Like I said before, I would still have unprotected sex with you...yummmm Anyway, the guy fucked up, you are probably half that.
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Z||000049||tnheygirl||12-29-2000||06:41 PM||tnheygirl@ziplip.com||H1 Mid hamstring is 21.||63.22.111.225||reg||
Z||000050||F1hybrid||01-01-2001||01:36 PM||badknees@freedom.net||tnheygirl:
From my data, the average mid-thigh circ for off-season women bodybuilders is 21.8" at about 9.8% bodyfat with a thigh skinfold of just under 10 mm; calf skinfold in this group was about 6 mm. If you are about 15%, then add at least another 1" perhaps a little more. Even the fitness girls were about 20.2", but again at 9.8% body fat with the same thigh skinfold of about 10 mm. Thus, if they were around 15% bodyfat, they'd be sporting 21 - 22" thighs. For every 5% increase in bodyfat, assuming thigh musculature stays the same, add about an inch to your thigh measurement. Your thighs are not big by any stretch. The problem is your pants are too small. That is what I was referring to in my last post.
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