A||||12||F1hybrid||Formula for how much should you weight|||||| Z||000000||F1hybrid||11-18-2000||01:44 PM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||How much should you weigh?

The numbers I'll present here are from my body comp study on women BBs, fitness and active college aged women. There are 4 groups. Contest ready BBs (CFBB), off-season BBs (OFBB), fitness (all combined) and active college aged women. There were about 55 women in the study. The lean body mass to height ratio was done in metric. The % body fat listed is the average of each group. In order to figure out your height in cm, take your height in inches x 2.54. Multiply this by the LBM/HT ratio. This will give you fat-free mass at 0% bodyfat in kg. Then take that number and divide it by the percent body fat you would like to figure your bodyweight at using this formula: (1- (% bodyfat/100)) x your calculated FFM. Then multiply by 2.2 to give you the weight in pounds. Example. Using the contest ready number. Your height is 162.6 cm (5'4"). Take 162.6 x 0.40 = 65.04 FFM in kg. Assume 15% body fat, therefore 1-(15/100) = 0.85. Then take 65.04/0.85 = 76.51 kg x 2.2 = 168 lbs. Thus, if you wanted to have the same muscle mass as a contest ready pro but at 15% body fat and you were 5'4", you'd weigh 168 pounds. I listed the weights for each group for a 5'11" female at 15% bodyfat.

% BF LBM/HT Assuming 5'11" at 15%

CFBBs 4.7 0.40 187 lbs
OFBBs 8.7 0.386 180 lbs
Fitness 9.1 0.325 152 lbs
Active 20.1 0.29 136 lbs

F1||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000001||Cocktails||11-18-2000||11:40 PM||||You lost me. Can you do this for 5'3"?||204.60.28.77||reg|| Z||000003||F1hybrid||11-19-2000||07:33 AM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||Ladies:

At 15% bodyfat, this is what you would weigh. If you need other % bodyfat calulations, you'll have to do the math. Set it up in an EXL spreadsheet.

HEIGHT (inches) CFBB OFBB FIT
60 157.8 152.3 128.2
61 160.4 154.8 130.3
62 163.0 157.3 132.5
63 165.7 159.9 134.6
64 168.3 162.4 136.7
65 170.9 164.9 138.9
66 173.6 167.5 141.0
67 176.2 170.0 143.2
68 178.8 172.6 145.3
69 181.4 175.1 147.4
70 184.1 177.6 149.6
71 186.7 180.2 151.7
72 189.3 182.7 153.8

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||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000004||F1hybrid||11-19-2000||07:47 AM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||The columns didn't line up right, hope this doesn't confuse anyone. Example: at 64" or 5'4" the body weights would be 168.3, 162.4 and 136.7 for a contest ready FBB, off-season FBB and Fitness competitor at 15% bodyfat respectively.

F1||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000006||JayeLynn||11-20-2000||11:11 AM||greyvulf@hotmail.com||*ugh*
The thought of adding ANOTHER 20# just makes me want to roll over and take a nap.

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There is no measure to the benefits of patience and humility ... damn my patience is running thin.||129.80.22.140||reg|| Z||000007||MS||11-20-2000||01:04 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||Good info F1, but confusion still reigns. You have contest ready FBBs weighing more than Off season FBBs which is counter intuitive to moi. Maybe the columns are around the wrong way, or my brain is around the wrong way?||139.80.64.4||reg|| Z||000008||F1hybrid||11-20-2000||02:58 PM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||MS:

Its based on fat-free mass. The contest ready FBBs have more muscle, thus at 15%, they will weigh more.

Example:

At 0% bodyfat (fat-free mass) a 5'4" CFBB, FBB and Fitness would weigh 143.0, 138.0, and 116.2 lbs, respectively. Once you have the fat-free mass, you divide it by 1-(percent body fat) to get the body weight at that % body fat.

Thus, 143.0/(1-.15) = 168.3

||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000009||MS||11-20-2000||03:07 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||I'm still confused. Sigh. Maybe I don't understand "off season"? Isn't that when you bulk up (ie add more LBM) so that you'll come in bigger in your next comp? I'm not a pro, but I certainly have more LBM and more total mass in the off-season. Even the pros must lose some lean mass when they diet for a show. Help.||139.80.64.4||reg|| Z||000010||F1hybrid||11-20-2000||09:00 PM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||Its clear that precontest is when they are in their heaviest cycles. In this case, this is when they are carrying the most lean mass. Think how big they'd be if they continued using a precontest drug cycle during the off-season when they could eat and train heavy. F'in huge.

F1||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000011||bikinimom||11-20-2000||09:56 PM||bikinimom@hotmail.com||I hope I don't sound like a total dummy, but then these numbers would be different if the subjects were not "on" I take it?

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....beauty knows no pain.||24.4.252.80||reg|| Z||000012||MS||11-21-2000||12:12 AM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||I guess I'm having a slow brain day all around. The pros I know use their more androgenic supplements in the off season so they can add as much mass as possible, then switch to the less androgenic stuff for cutting. They use the AAS and hGH, T3, clen etc... to lose the fat while maintaining as much lean mass as they can. But I don't know of any that actually gain LBM while cutting. I'm wondering if your 'gals' take a different approach to pre-contest dieting that might be enlightening to those of us that follow contest dieting? But then I think you said earlier that you don't know and don't ask what supplements your clients use to achieve their goals. So maybe it's a mystery to you too.

And for Bmom, I thought it was taken for granted that pro physique bodybuilders use AAS. So do MANY fitness competitors, but not all. Though I have no doubt that even the most genetically gifted fitness competitors uses all the dieting aids available to them, even if they don't resort to full blown AAS use.

[This message has been edited by MS (edited November 21, 2000).]||202.180.64.91||reg|| Z||000013||F1hybrid||11-21-2000||06:22 AM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||I have only trained a few that I suspect have used AAS. However, when I interact with others at shows, expos, etc. that's where I pick up info.

I think the women are probably different than the men with regard to AAS use. The few that I have body comp'd while getting ready for a show only lose 3-5 lbs of muscle, but they add more late off-season than they might have early off-season or a few months after a show because they stop using for several months. Thus, the net result is that they have more muscle precontest. That is the way the numbers pan out. My sense is that I had some women who had been off or cut back for several months in the OFBB group, thus their fat-free mass was less.

Yes, BM. If they juice, it makes a big difference. In some cases up to 30-40 lbs of muscle, and many of the fitness girls juice but to a lesser degree, less androgens and train for cuts not size, thus less muscle.

Anyone read the article in Oxygen (Oct 99)? The cycle outlined by one fitness girl added up to 2000 mg/wk, plus some clen.

I posted the circumferences for these groups as well in another thread.

F1||65.24.124.217||reg|| Z||000014||MS||11-21-2000||12:46 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||Wow that sounds sooo wierd to me. Oh well, whatever works for them. Thanks F1.||139.80.64.4||reg||