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Z||000000||JayeLynn||09-15-2000||06:24 PM||greyvulf@hotmail.com||So I get wrapped up in watching the banner at the top of the page ..NewHopeMed and I start wondering...<BR>What if your generic Md could legally start prescribing steroids at the request of his/her patient?  Would you feel confident in his/her ability to do it better (as well?)than you have done for yourself?<P>------------------<BR>There is no measure to the benefits of patience and humility  ... damn my patience is running thin.||129.80.22.140||reg||
Z||000001||Monster||09-15-2000||07:03 PM||monster@musclemail.com||No. Not by a long shot! With the exception of a few endocrinologists Ive worked with, I find MD's and DO's to be sorely out of touch with the applications of steroids in performance enhancment.<BR>Most of them will attribute any physical malady you have to steroids once they know you use them. Since the steroid control act went into effect, I believe the actual amount and quality of schooling doctors recieve dealing with AS is minimal. With the exception, of course, of endocrinologist who kow due to testosterone's role in the endocrine system.<BR>The reason I eneded up working with an endocrinologist was because the MD I was with was borderline incompentent in his knowledge of AS. Im not talking some back room medicare hack MD either. Im talking University Of Michigan hospital staff MD's.<BR>Im argueing with this guy, and actually having him conceed me the points I was making, in the end he gave me a referal to an endocrinologist so I could do what I needed to do while still being covered by my health insurance. I had a great time doing it. I tracked my natural testosterone levels, LH and FSH levels from rock hard ground zero levels, all the way back to normal. Taking weekly blood tests and semen analysis every month to monitor sperm count and motility! I was SO pumped! They pretty much gave me free reign, and told me to tell them what tests I wanted done, and they would schedule them (they said a weekly semen analysis was too often... damn, its better than giving blood  <IMG SRC="http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/wink.gif"> ).<BR>But I digress... so no, I wouldnt feel confident in my MD/DO advising me on use, but if she cared to prescribe them to me... hey, who am I to complain???||24.4.252.129||reg||
Z||000002||Beezers||09-15-2000||09:09 PM||fluffheadgolgi@yahoo.com||I have a perscription myself.  I can legaly poses test. I take 100mg test cyp a week. I had to go see an endocrinologist for this one, the general practice doc can't do anything for this.  For the most part my endocrinologist dosn't know much about proper AS use for bodybuilders.  He knows book loads about the steroids themselves but very little about how to use them for what he calls "athletic purposes".  He is really only familiar with theraputic use of the steroids.  I would not trust his knowledge over mine what so ever.  we have discused this issue many times and he won't perscribe excessive doses however he has no objections to my supplemental use.  He graciously monitors my health when I am on cycle.  He dosn't offer advice though.  I honestly trust myself far more than him when it comes to the enhancement aspects of these drugs. ||24.4.255.47||reg||
Z||000003||F1hybrid||09-16-2000||07:21 AM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||100 mg/wk of T is a replacment dose, just barely. What's the purpose? You just shut down your own production and replace it with exogenous T. There is no net gain. 100 mg/wk for a female would yield significant gains, but not a guy.<P>F1hybrid||24.93.126.135||reg||
Z||000004||Beezers||09-16-2000||02:37 PM||fluffheadgolgi@yahoo.com||I had a permanent test level of 112-138.   With the replacement it is around 400.||24.4.255.46||reg||
Z||000005||F1hybrid||09-17-2000||08:45 AM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||Sorry beezers:<P>It's a different story if you if have hypogonadism. Still, when is your doc checking your blood levels? 400 ng/dl in my opinion is still low. Many docs start supplementing at that level. I'd be shooting for a blood T conc. of 500-700 ng/dl just prior (the day before) to your next inj. I'd ask for 200 mg/wk and recheck your blood levels in a few weeks.<P>F1hybrid||24.93.126.135||reg||
Z||000006||JayeLynn||09-18-2000||05:58 PM||greyvulf@hotmail.com||Estrogen therapy: the pros and cons <BR>   <BR>Conflicting studies confound patients, doctors     <BR>Hormone replacement therapy has been found effective at treating some of the symptoms of menopause, but experts continue to debate the downsides.<BR>   <BR> <BR>By Robert Bazell<BR>NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT <BR> <BR>Sept. 12 —  Seventeen million American women take medication to replace estrogen that declines in midlife. Yet while the drugs have been on the market for 60 years, information about the risks and benefits has been changing so fast that even some doctors are overwhelmed. <BR> <P>      <BR>   <BR>            <BR>      <BR> Robert Bazell's HealthBeat<BR> MSNBC's Women's Health archive<BR> Post your views on MSNBC's Health Bulletin Board<BR>    <BR> <BR>    <BR>    <BR> <BR> <BR>   <BR> <BR>   <P>       <BR> <P>  <BR>        “I THINK it’s been a very trying time for the practitioner,” said Dr. Elizabeth Barrett-Connor, a professor of epidemiology at the University of California, San Diego, one of the top experts in the field. “I think we’re at a very elementary stage of how to prescribe estrogen.”<BR>       But some patients wonder how the science of the hormone estrogen can still be at an elementary stage 60 years into the game.<BR>       “Yes. It is interesting. But I ... do think we’ve made a lot of progress,” she said, adding that new studies are revealing more and more details about the risks and benefits.<BR>       There is no question hormone replacement effectively treats hot flashes, mood swings and other symptoms of menopause. It also lessens the bone thinning of osteoporosis. But no one knows if it cuts the number of hip fractures — the biggest danger of osteoporosis.   <BR> <BR>          While doctors once thought estrogen reduced the risk of heart disease, some research now shows it may not. And there is strong evidence suggesting the hormones may increase the risk of breast cancer.<BR>       Looking at all the information, some, like Constance Spahn, opt for the medication.<BR>       “I felt that it was worth the risk to feel good,” Spahn said.<BR>       Others, like Alice Stamm, think the treatment is not just wrong but dangerous.<BR>       “I think doctors take too many risks with women and women’s health,” Stamm said.   <BR> <BR> <BR>    Hormone Replacement Therapy  <BR>   <BR> Here's what researchers have to say about the advantages and disadvantages of HRT.  <BR> Pros Cons  <BR> HRT reduces the risk of osteoporosis. HRT can cause unpleasant side effects, such as bloating or irritability.  <BR> HRT relieves hot flashes. HRT may increase the risk of breast cancer.  <BR> HRT may reduce the risk of heart disease, but some studies suggest the opposite effect. HRT may be dangerous in women with blood clots.  <BR> HRT may improve mood.   <BR>   <BR> <BR>Source: National Institutes of Health <P>          <BR> Advertisement <BR> <BR>   <BR> <BR> Quick Gifts Books Music & Video Flowers Software Hardware More . . .  <BR> <BR> <P><BR>         Many experts say hormone replacement is actually opening a new era of medicine where both patients and doctors know there is no right answer and today’s answer might be different tomorrow.<BR>       “I think both the doctor and the woman need to realize that every woman is different. This isn’t a cookie-cutter business,” Barrett-Connor said.<BR>       And with more new studies due in the next few years, hormone replacement is likely to become even more complicated.<P><BR>....maybe if they would do as much research on women as they do men, it wouldn't be so damned complicated!<BR>||129.80.22.140||reg||
Z||000007||Artemis||09-19-2000||09:31 AM||huntress@operamail.com||  There would be pitfalls -look at those simply astronomical prices charged by that banner ad  <IMG SRC="http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/frown.gif">   There are also very few genuine endocrinologists around.  I've found that most are simply internists with a practice aimed primarily at diabtetics.  And their information is usually wrong.  Plus a great many of them know full well they hold the power to withhold adulthood from their hypogonadal patients.  I Resent that.  And some are so condescending they are best described as rude.  Enough.  Just apply for your own controlled substances license and become a legitimate dealer and be done with it  <IMG SRC="http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/wink.gif">.  <P>Sorry to rant again...||131.104.100.143||reg||
Z||000008||F1hybrid||09-19-2000||10:09 AM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||Some physicians are prescribing T and E combinations for women. The T helps with libido, energy and overall feeling of well being.<P>But, if we become too conservative with prescribing E then a black-market for estrogen will develop. Besides, if it improves the quality of life then it should be a controlled substance. Heaven forbid that we would want anyone to feel better as a function of hormone therapy.<P>None-the-less, it will be easier for women to obtain hormone therapy since cattle pellets contain a blend of T and E and they are not controlled. No need to extract the E. Just fire a pellet into your ass once a month and life will be great.<P>Moooooooooooo...........<P>F1hybrid||24.93.126.135||reg||
Z||000009||Pamela||09-19-2000||03:51 PM||||So if I went to my dr. and ask him to presc.<BR>something for me.  And I told him I was feeling tired and my libido was down, what do I ask for?<BR>||63.28.247.130||reg||
Z||000010||F1hybrid||09-19-2000||08:27 PM||phatboy@columbus.rr.com||T gel or a patch. If you experience some virilization, ask him for oxandrolone. If he is a liberal doc, he might do it. If it is for legit medical use and documented, his ass is covered. <P>F1hybrid<P>||24.93.126.135||reg||
Z||000011||Aaron Abernathy||09-22-2000||09:05 AM||aaronabernathy@yahoo.com||<BR>&gt;....maybe if they would do as much research on women as they do men, it wouldn't be so damned complicated!<P>Now really, JayeLynn.  I think the reality is that HRT for women might just be more complex than for men.  Also, preventative medicine is far from a priority in this country.  On the plus side for women, at least the 1990 AAS laws don't hurt them as much as they do men.<P>I've often thought that really good HRT would involve a complex brew of low doses of a variety of hormones--estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, thyroid, parathyroid, GH, GHRH, etc.  All carefully adjusted, timed, and monitored.  I suspect human endocrinology is a complex system of cause and effect of one hormone, on another hormone, on another...etc.<P>Why no research?  The status quo--for example drug companies--can sell more product treating a multiplicity of diseases than they can sell preventing disease.  Preventative medicine is not a priority. And why wouldn't insurance compnies want preventative medicine?  For one thing, I imagine a preventative system would give patients a $$ incentive to stay healthy.  And that would mean more complex administration for the insurer, and that, in turn, would cut into profit.  Add to that the fact that, for insurance companies the injunction, "first do no harm" is equvalent to, "first do NOTHING."  Doctors, in the meantime, can either lose their jobs, or fall in line.||209.138.40.19||reg||
Z||000012||JayeLynn||09-22-2000||11:42 AM||greyvulf@hotmail.com||Sorry Aaron, but you can blow that gentle breeze up someone else's skirt.  I could just as easily say that HRT for women is the standard whereas HRT for me is trivial....but that would indicative of an all together 'female-centric' culture rather than the 'male-centric' reality.  I don't just read the research, I used to be in the industry and know first hand that the monies spent on researching women's issues is trivial by comparison to what is dedicated to men's issues.<BR>"Looks like we'll be doing another study on prostate cancer because we can't get anyone to fund a study on fibroids in the female reproductive system"<P><BR>I save my male-bashing for entertainment purposes, so please understand that it's not being employed here.  These statistics/ratios are changing over time, but seem to change at the rate of geologic time....<BR><P>------------------<BR>There is no measure to the benefits of patience and humility  ... damn my patience is running thin.||129.80.22.140||reg||
Z||000013||Kaizen||09-22-2000||02:01 PM||ka1zen@hushmail.com||Good point Jayelyn....<BR>There's a great book called "GYN/ecology the politics of women's biology"  It is true that most research is done on men simply because their hormonal systems are simpler than womens...Definitely not right and I agree changing at the speed of granite...<P>------------------<BR>Kaizen<P>Omnia Praeclara<BR>tam difficilia<BR>Quam rara sunt<P>Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas to danger of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label of 'crack pot' than the stigma of conformity." - Thomas J. Watson||204.89.159.101||reg||
Z||000014||Aaron Abernathy||09-23-2000||07:23 AM||aaronabernathy@yahoo.com||JayeLynn,<P>Pardon me for being so contentious, seriously.<P>I say that not so much because I disapprove of being contentious, but because most of my contentions were based on opinion.<P>Do note, however, that the bulk of my post was about the lack of preventative care, and that hurts both genders.||209.138.184.184||reg||