We all know that testosterone is what helps burn fat. For this reasons is why giving test, in particular sustanon, to females is gaining popularity. The LARGE drawback is the unwanted side effects testosteron's androgenic properties give to females and leads to facial hair, voice changes, etc...
But, let's say a female were to take 50mg week of sustanon/week or some other long acting ester, AND stack that with spironolactone, which is an anti-androgen drug, wouldn't that offset the negative sides and give females a much safer way to take testosterone? ||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000001||Iron God||07-24-2000||11:08 AM||irongod@hushmail.com||You could probably do 1cc of sus 250 every 2 weeks,but side affects really depend on the individual, some girls can take mega does of winny or primo and show no-side while others get them all,best bet is too start out slow and work your dosages up.
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||192.127.94.7||reg|| Z||000002||MS||07-24-2000||03:35 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||And some of testosterone's anabolic (fat-burning?) activity may be due to interaction with the Androgen receptors. If you're going to block these receptors you might as well go with primo or winny, or even Deca. ||139.80.64.4||reg|| Z||000003||BigPappa||07-24-2000||03:37 PM||||Hmmm...good point MS. But the fat burning is an increase in protein synthesis, increase metabolism, etc... right? Not necessarily the androgenic characteristics of it. Anyone else have any thoughts?||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000004||MS||07-24-2000||04:14 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||I think this is more the territory for Artemis to help out. But I do know that there are 'men' who have androgen insensitivity (their androgen receptors do not recognize and bind testosterone). These men are sooo indistinguishable from women that they are usually only discovered when someone does a sex-specific test on them (such as the IOC does for all women). It seems to me if testosterne had significant effects aside from it's androgen binding that these XY women would be leaner and have more muscle bulk than XX women. But this is not the case. These XY women have no apparent athletic advantage over ordinary women. I feel sorry for them getting banned from athletic events because of it. I mean, geesh, even if they took steroids it wouldn't help them that much! ||139.80.64.4||reg|| Z||000005||Artemis||07-25-2000||12:24 PM||huntress@operamail.com|| Testosterone is known to upregulate growth hormone secretion. This effect isn't quite as pronounced with non-aromatizable androgens such as dihydrotestosterone, anavar and such. The estrogen pathways may play an important role in up-regulating GH, with this difference in GH secretion being possibly responsible (and a confounding factor) for any extra fat-loss response seen with test. Here's a reference.
Keenan, B.S., Richards, G.E., Ponder, S.W., Dallas, J.S., Nagamani, M., Smith, E.R. Androgen Stimulated Pubertal Growth. J. Clin. Endocrinology Metab. 76:996-1001, 1993.
Interesting to note that guys taking arimidex (anti-aromatase) report their testosterone cycles lose a lot of 'fizz' -seeming only good for *cutting*.
BigPappa: Nifty idea. One might wish to elevate GH cheaply via. testosterone, and yet try to block the androgen receptor to reduce virilization. Don't know if anyone's tried it, but I understand the plan. Once the androgen receptor is blocked it would theoretically be a waste to add any other androgens. The Much better way is to up-regulate GH secretion by some other means.
And even better to burn off fat by yet other ways, seeing as elevated GH leads to problems of it's own...
One way or the other, I guess it's important to remember that testosterone, estrogen etc. are not strictly 'male' or 'female' hormones, rather they are 'adult' hormones necessary for everyone's maturation.
Here's another two for MS:
Keenan, B.S., McNeel, R.L. and Gonzales, E.T. Abnormality of Intracellular 5-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) binding in simple hypospadias (HS). Studies of equilibrium steroid binding in sonicates of genital skin fibroblasts. Pediatr Res 18:216-220, 1984.
Keenan, B.S., Greger, N.G. and Hedge, A.M. Studies of molecular species of the human fibroblast androgen receptor (AR): comparison of the physicochemical properties of the 3H-Methyltrienolone-AR-complex in cytosol to the complex produced in the intact genital skin fibroblast (GSF), J Clin Endocrinol Metab 63:222-230, 1986.
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Z||000006||WarLobo||07-25-2000||03:12 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||My take on the whole issue, use the test to build muscle which requires a higher caloric intake. Then use 2.5mg of finistride to help prevent sides. Up the cardio a notch, ease back on the carbs, and the body fat will drop. Cheap, easy to administer, and it works.
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