A||||29||Bunny55||Phentermine|||||| Z||000000||Bunny55||06-26-2000||11:36 AM||pinkbunny55@hushmail.com||The remaining half of the phen-Fen craze.
It is for appetite suppression.
Does anyone use it??
I am thinking of trying it to help cut but wonder if it is OK to take with clen/eca stack.
I have taken it before but not with the stacks.
Suggestions??

Bunny||159.238.248.2||reg|| Z||000001||BigPappa||06-26-2000||11:57 AM||||where are you getting this?||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000002||Dlady27||06-26-2000||12:01 PM||||Bunny, I was on Phentermine for 5 years off and on, it did nothing but literally destroy my body! (but I did lose over 20 lbs, taking the stuff) Then I switched to the Adipex, same but stronger. Needless to say, they are just like taking Ephadrine, use is only temporary, so if you do take it again only use it for 2 months then go off of it for a few months, the best way. I have a lot of stomach troubles now, because I used that in the past.

Right now, though I am not taking anything while I lift but Yohimbe, and sometimes Xenadrine, but not everyday. The diet doctor near me gives the Phentermine and Adipex out to people who are 30% overweight, they won't give it to me anymore because I got down below that %.

[This message has been edited by Dlady27 (edited June 26, 2000).]||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000003||BigPappa||06-26-2000||12:13 PM||||what does yohimbe do for women?||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000004||mr perfect||06-26-2000||12:25 PM||mr_perfect_4@hotmail.com||yohimbe helps women lose fat in the lower abdomen and also in there but. U see the herdest part for a women to lose is in the lower abdomin and also the but , and sometimes ephedrine and caffeine does not really make u lose those troubled areas it's very hard for a women to lose fat in those areas but once u combine a quality fat burner like xenadrine, hydroxycut or even adipo it's better that women include a quality yohimbe in that stack it will help women lose fat alot faster and the yohimbe will also increase your sex drive witch is a great bonus by the way......||24.201.98.211||reg|| Z||000005||Dlady27||06-26-2000||12:26 PM||||When it is mixed with an e/c/a stack they claim that it helps to lose weight on the lower part of the body for a woman. So far, I lost an Inch off the hips, and butt area. And it also BOOSTS the libido, like in men. Only bad side effect is you are very aggressive, and irritable sometimes.||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000006||BigPappa||06-26-2000||12:39 PM||||Do you mean the over the counter GNC yohimbe? Pills, gels, what?||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000007||Dlady27||06-26-2000||12:43 PM||||The one that I use because I found it to be the best one around is the Yohimbe Fuel by TwinLabs. I even asked the pharmist about it before I bought it. He said that yes, it does help women lose fat in the lower body, but for me to watch out with the side effects I posted above.||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000008||Iron God||06-26-2000||12:51 PM||irongod@hushmail.com||Can anyone back this up with fact,I find it very hard to believe that a combination of any substances can cause "target" fat loss.

Lobo you ever hear of this?????

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||192.127.94.7||reg|| Z||000009||BigPappa||06-26-2000||12:52 PM||||How does Yohimbe do this? In men, it can raise test levels...or so I've read. Is this why the fat loss is seen in woman taking it?||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000010||BigPappa||06-26-2000||12:57 PM||||How can something that isn't taken locally (applied to area such as topical solutions) work on a specific area. Taking a pill or powder orally can't work on a specific area such as butt or stoumach. Maybe it works throughout your body, which is still good, but I can't see how taking Yohimbe makes you SPECIFICALLY lose fat in target areas????

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||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000011||riptchick||06-26-2000||01:02 PM||||I'm bumping this as I would also like more information on Yohimbine. I am very skeptical of this although I have heard of women using this with DMSO for aid in lower body fat reduction and it having some degree of success. War Lobo? MS? any thoughts? ||205.188.200.173||reg|| Z||000012||BigPappa||06-26-2000||01:57 PM||||With DMSO, maybe since then it would be applied locally to the area but what Dlady is saying is that she is taking the Twinlab stuff, pills I think. No way can that work on a target area ....||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000013||Dlady27||06-26-2000||02:13 PM||||Yohimbe is an herb derived from the inner bark of the yohimbe tree which grows wild throughout Africa. Long considered an a effective aphrodisiac, able to stimulate sexual desire and performance, yohimbe has been available by prescription as a pill. Recently yohimbe containing products have become popular as over the counter herbal preparations.

The active component of yohimbe bark is yohimbine, an alkaloid monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor that blocks adrenergic receptors. This leads to an increase in dilation of blood vessels and a lowering of blood pressure. This enlargment of blood vessels, particularly in the sexual organs, is the generally accepted explanation of the physiological effects of the herb. Yohimbe also seems effective in elevating mood and reducing depression and anxiety, further contributing to its aphrodisiac activity.

Animal studies have shown that yohimbe does indeed increase sexual arousal and performance. Researchers conducting double-blind, placebo-controlled studies reported measurable improvements in sexual libedo and performance in men receiving the yohimbe versus those on placebo. Clearly in some cases yohimbe can improve sexual performance in those suffering from physiological and psychological impotence. Scientists have also recently found evidence that yohimbe may aid in weight loss by suppressing the body's ability to store fat.

Yohimbe is not without side-effects, which can include sweating, nausea and vomiting. Those taking MAO inhibitors such as tranquilizers, antidepressants or blood-pressure medications should not take yohimbe or any compounds containing yohimbine. Use of yohimbe is also contraindicated for pregnant women as well as persons with kidney disease, heart disease, liver disease, diabetes or ulcers. Persons with a history of psychoses should also avoid yohimbe as it has been known to trigger new episodes of psychic reaction..

||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000014||mr perfect||06-26-2000||02:16 PM||mr_perfect_4@hotmail.com||actually it has never been proven that yohimbe can raise test levels in men many men think it does because they feel more aggresive when they take it but that's just the stimulating effect .. the way it works on women is that yohimbe contains yohimbe alkanoids which is a potent A2 adrenergic blocker u se womens hipe and thighs are loaded with a2 receptors so what yohimbe does is it attaches to these receptors and pulls the fatty acids from the fat cells . and then u lose fat very quickly in that area.. ||24.201.98.211||reg|| Z||000015||Dlady27||06-26-2000||02:19 PM||||big pappa, I have read in many other articles that it does this by, raising the body temprature, but you have to watch because it is a temporary MAO Inhibitor as well, I do sometimes get very dizzy if I take it and then eat something with caffine in it, like soda or coffee, which I don't drink that often. It also raises your blood pressure for a while, so there are a lot of side effects from taking Yohimbe.
I don't know if it is the yohimbe working or the exercising I constantly do now. I just gave the info to you, that is all.
But I can vouche about the higher libido part!! :P||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000016||missgalaxy||06-26-2000||02:26 PM||missgalaxy@hushmail.com||Yes, I had a personal trainer tell me to start taking yohimbe to lose weight in the *trouble* areas. I thought he was crazy and so did the woman who sold it to me at GNC. But since then i've heard the same from others. Supposedly it opens the alpha receptors. Also suppose to be good say with a clen/T3 stack. I've been using it for about 3 weeks now. And it seems to be working......in both ways ||24.92.209.24||reg|| Z||000017||WarLobo||06-26-2000||02:58 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||Oh boy, Yohimbe. Mr. P is correct in the A2 receptor department. The only problem is, to really see the spot reduction in relation to the rest of your body, is to have a "fat ass" in the first place - Just talking in genneral here ladies In other words, you would have to have a very high tendency to store fat in that area. And by the time most of us get to the upper/mid teens in body fat, I really think the stuff is quite worthless. And then when you compare the cost ... sheeessh.

In every known paper I've read, true spot reduction is not going to happen. It's the same thing with men and "love handles". Ain't going to happen. Spot reduction can only be achieved in one way - lipo. Yes yohimbe may help some, and it MIGHT work a bit better if you stack it and are in the upper 20's low 30's BF department. But I always try to look at the cost/benefit of anything - unless of course your fricking rich and then you just get the lipo anyways....

Dlady27, I would wager 98% of your reductions have come as result of diet and allot of hard work - and even that is being very optimist. Lets look at it this way. Lets say yohimbe COULD reduce localized fat by a mer 1% over a TWO month period. Making ZERO changes in your diet, training, or any other aspect of your life, we would see an incredible loss of 7.2 lbs. over a year for a 120lbs women in the hip/glute area. Well, that AIN'T going to happen - if it did then all of us would have bought stock and I'd go back to being a farmer in Iowa growing the damn trees cause they would be worth millions.

Late

Lobo

||199.211.225.194||reg|| Z||000019||Dlady27||06-26-2000||03:12 PM||||WarLobo, You know already that I am working VERY HARD right now at my exercise and dieting, I didn't say that YES, the fat was lost because of the Yohimbe, I just stated that I myself take it, period. I wasn't telling anyone that they should do so.
There are some VERY bad side effects to the herb if you have certain health problems.
ME PERSONALLY : I take it now for the higher sex drive, cause I do know that before I never cared if I had sex, and now I am wanting it more often, to put it bluntly.

As for the fat lost in my rear end area, I know most likely it is from all the running that I do now. But who is to say that the Yohimbe didn't help it even a little...||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000020||gymratgrl||06-26-2000||04:01 PM||pbenamati@aol.com||How much Yohimbe should a female take?

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||208.46.209.203||reg|| Z||000021||MS||06-26-2000||04:17 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||There's a lot of territory to be covered here. I am putting together a post to address some of the questions brought up here. I will post it as a new topic when ready.

As a quick note, WarLobo is partly correct. Nolvadex and yohimbine (and some other things) are all helpful for lower body fat-loss, BUT they are mostly of benefit to women who are already lean and looking to lose that LAST bit of stubborn fat AFTER they've already lost all the other Sub-Q fat on their body from dieting, exercise, etc...

They should be considered 'finishing' drugs at best. I did not make this clear when I first started posting the praises of these drugs because I erroneously assumed most of the women on this board who were asking about these drugs (as well as AAS, T3, clenbuterol, etc...) were taking them with a view to compete. I am still getting my head around the casual use of these drugs as a quick-fix rather than making lifestyle changes to effect those changes on a more permanent basis. OK, I've just reread that and it sounds pretty flamey, but I'll leave it unedited for now.

If you want a quick-fix, I'm with WarLobo. Get Lipo. If you're already very, very lean and in your last 4-6 weeks before an important competition, then I'll post more deteils soon on Nolva/Yohimbine, etc...

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||139.80.178.6||reg|| Z||000022||MS||06-26-2000||04:18 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||There's a lot of territory to be covered here. I am putting together a post to address some of the questions brought up here. I will post it as a new topic when ready.

If you want a quick-fix, I'm with WarLobo. Get Lipo. If you're already very, very lean and in your last 4-6 weeks before an important competition, then I'll post more details soon on Nolva/Yohimbine, etc...

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||139.80.178.6||reg|| Z||000023||WarLobo||06-26-2000||05:15 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||I think this is the fastest growing thread ever.... very cool!

Dlady, I just want to make sure everyone knew that your improvements came from YOUR hard work and dedication and not some magic potion

Sometimes with threads like this, we must all be careful to take into consideration the level at which the person asking the question is currently at. What works at one level most always will not work at another. I've often make this assumption and I think that is why we get some of the newer ladies becoming confused. Then, add in what I think is "common knowledge" and you can see how this might compound the problem.

Remember all, this is an incredible complex thing we try to do and more often than not you take one step back for every two steps forward.

Late

Lobo
||12.10.120.15||reg|| Z||000024||Bunny55||06-27-2000||09:24 AM||pinkbunny55@hushmail.com||Does anyone know the phentermine question??
Does it have reactions with other AS??
The Adipex sounds great, but I am using the internet drug companies to get the phentermine and they dont cary the other.

Bunny

[This message has been edited by Bunny55 (edited June 27, 2000).]||159.238.248.2||reg|| Z||000025||Dlady27||06-27-2000||09:40 AM||||BUNNY55,
THERE ARE SOME INTERNET SITES THAT DO CARRY THE ADIPEX, BUT FOR 30 DAY SUPPLY IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE, YOU ARE BETTER OFF JUST GOING TO A WEIGHT LOSS CLINIC TO GET IT, THEY SELL IT CHEAPER THAN OVER THE NET.
BUT SECOND POINT I HAVE TO MAKE HERE IS THAT THE ADIPEX IS NOT A "QUICK FIX" YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN I WAS TAKING IT A FIRST I WAS OVER 150 LBS. IT ONLY HELPED ME LOSE SO MUCH THEN I HAD TO GET OFF OF IT. AND THAT WAS WITH DOING A LOT OF RUNNING EVERY EVENING. JUST DO NOT GET YOUR HOPES UP, FOR SOME THE STUFF WORKS AND OTHERS IT WILL DO NOTHING. (same as any drug)
GET A DRUG BOOK AND READ THE SIDE EFFECTS BEFORE YOU TAKE IT!! I DO NOT TAKE "GEAR" SO I CAN NOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SORRY.

WARLOBO, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE POINTS!!
and yes, my hard work is starting to show a bit.
HOW IS THE WEIGHT LOG COMING ALONG?
||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000026||Dlady27||06-27-2000||10:10 AM||||Current Price List

Medication Description and Quantity Med
Price
1 Month Supply (30 pills) of Phentermine 30mg Capsules $129
3 Month Supply (90 pills) of Phentermine 30mg Capsules $249
1 Month Supply (30 pills) of Adipex 37.5mg Tablets $159
3 Month Supply (90 pills) of Adipex 37.5mg Tablets $399
1 Month Supply (30 pills) of Phentermine 37.5mg Tablets $149
3 Month Supply (90 pills) of Phentermine 37.5mg Tablets $349
1 Month Supply (30 pills) of Ionamin 30mg Capsules $169
3 Month Supply (90 pills) of Ionamin 30mg Capsules $449
1 Month Supply (30 pills) of Phentermine 15mg Capsules $129
3 Month Supply (90 pills) of Phentermine 15mg Capsules $249

this came from the www.privacyrx.com site

now at a weight loss clinic you pay only $60 for one month supply.
THIS IS JUST SOME F.Y.I ON THE DIFFERENT PRICES.
||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000027||BigPappa||06-27-2000||10:13 AM||||What is the usual dosage of this stuff...for women and men?||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000028||Dlady27||06-27-2000||10:47 AM||||Big Pappa, the highest dosage you can get is 37.5 mg of the stuff it doesn't come any higher than that. And if you get the Ionamin, that is usually one of the lower doses, I know that from the Doctor I went too it is considered there to be the generic form.||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000029||Dlady27||06-30-2000||02:04 PM||||I AM GIVING THIS A BUMP FOR KIMMY TO READ ABOUT THE YOHIMBE...||208.205.113.135||reg|| Z||000030||Bunny55||06-30-2000||07:18 PM||pinkbunny55@hushmail.com||Yea I know it is not a quick fix. I have lifted for 4 years now. Not too long, but long enough to know.

Pretty pricy stuff.
Wonder if you can get it in Mexico??

Bunny||209.193.86.54||reg||