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Z||000000||millgirl||05-24-2000||08:42 AM||millgirl@hushmail.com||Ladies I need your opinion on my cycle and its effects on the body. Maybe some of you have tried this, I dunno but I figured I better ask and get some of your responses back. First off many of you may know my dilema and why Im on AS's in the first place. The two AS's Im mentioning have been used in studies numerous times with positive results, so Im going on a 16 week cycle of them. Currently Im on primo, I took clen and hated it! Gave me bad headaches. Anway I finished that stuff up and then thought I would go on to Ripped Fuel, but that sucked for me too. Im pretty much an agressor to begin with and it made me NUTSO!!! BIGTIME. So I said to hell with that too. I will diet and train hard and lose what little body fat is left on my own, which is maybe 4 %. Nothing! Im going to start deca ( Nor 50 ). Im only going to do half a cc of the Nor 50 to see how it affects me. I know some of you are thinking, " NO! Dont DO IT!" That I may viralize. I have to it builds T Cell and mine are lower than they should be. It would be worth a little risk to me at this point.Rather than having fewer T Cell as time goes by. Not worth risking my health, versus whatever small viralization I may be at risk for. Not worth overlooking my life. besides we are all at some risk here. As I saod it will be 25 yo 50 mg a week total of deca. What are some of you other ladies experience with deca? FITNESS CHIC where are you? I think you would also be a good person to consult with on this. I would value any of your experiences with deca, and if you have used it with primo. Can they both be used together? Im on 150 mg of primo depot right now, I think Im going to stay at that amount right now. Thanks!<BR>MILLGIRL<BR>millgirl@hushmail.com||209.255.160.228||reg||
Z||000001||MS||05-24-2000||04:11 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||My take on the Deca/primo issue is that you really only need to take the Deca.  I can't see any reason for stacking the two in your situation.  The Deca will be better at stimulating your immune system and will also help you hold onto your hard-earned muscle. <P>As far as dose, keep in mind that you will not know how you respond to a particular dose of Deca for at least 3 weeks, so give youself plenty of time to experiment.  As you've probably found out for yourself, some women start out on higher dose (100mg per week) for the first 3-4 weeks, then drop it back to 100 mg every second week from then on.  This dosing schedule will eventually cause your voice to deepen, but what the heck? As you say, your overall, long-term health is paramount.  <P>Have you tried nor-ephedrine products like Adipokinteix?  I can't handle the ephedrine buzz either, but Nor-eph is much more mellow, and really kills my appetite.  Good luck whatever you do.  You sound like someone who thoroughly researches everything that goes into your body, so I know you'll make the best choices you can with the information available out there.<P>------------------<BR>The Mad Scientist<BR>||139.80.178.6||reg||
Z||000002||millgirl||05-24-2000||11:02 PM||millgirl@hushmail.com||Thank you for offering your advice, I appreciate it bigtime! No I havent tried that can you tell me where I can get it. Yeah that buzz was a bit much. Felt lke I was coming out of my skin...to say the very least. Are you a female who has used deca? Do you have any pictures? I see you are a pro. Could use some inspiration and would love to see pictures of women who have used deca. Should have it soon. Take care.<BR>BTW Im strong as a ox, and getting tougher by the day!||209.255.160.169||reg||
Z||000003||WonderWoman||05-25-2000||10:27 AM||wonderwoman@thewirehouse.com||Well millgirl sounds as if you're moving in a positive direction. I would tend to agree with MS on this one in regard to the stacking. It seems that the deca will give more bang for the buck. Particularly since your priority is immunity. I don't have any experience with deca personally, but would love to try it some day. Heres a question. How about EQ instead of deca? My understanding is that it has a bit less water retention properties but is also supportive of the immune system. Granted you don't get the joint support that deca provides. It is also cheaper and available in larger amounts, I.E. 10-50ml bottles.<BR>Questions? comments?<BR>WW||204.131.210.1||reg||
Z||000004||WarLobo||05-25-2000||11:44 AM||warlobo@operamail.com||Deca comes in the 10 and 50ml bottles.  <P>My first question is why are you trying to cut down to such a low body fat - should you not be trying to build a bit more?  <P>Your dosage of deca is fine for your situation.  However, if your going to continue to use the primo, and I figure you will, back off a bit. Any reason you have not tried anavar?  Heck I think you might even be able to get a legal script for it.<P>Late<P>Lobo<P>p.s. Seen you post around the other boards. Hope all the shit has settled  <IMG SRC="http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/wink.gif"><BR>||12.10.120.15||reg||
Z||000005||millgirl||05-25-2000||01:34 PM||millgirl@hushmail.com||Wonder Woman..<BR>To answer your question, I have seen all the studies in positive people done with awesome reports by using the deca. It did not mention EQ. I am in it for immune response, not aesthetic. If I knew more about EQ being used in those studies that have me so raved up , I would be going on it. If I were in it for aesthetic purposes I would be on EQ. Hope that answers your question.<BR>MILLGIRL||209.255.160.143||reg||
Z||000006||millgirl||05-25-2000||01:45 PM||millgirl@hushmail.com||Hi WarLobo,<BR>Body fat is a place that the virus loves to hide in. Less body fat is less place for it to go, when the new T Cells are trolling around looking for it and anything else including my own infected cells to kill off. Thats what CD 8's do. If they see my own infected CD 4's , they kill them too, over time. There is a trend line of time involved anf many things play into this. Dieting and exercising, and cycling with deca. It raises those fighter cells( CD8's). I have done a lot of research on this. Deca and primo is what they use. And have used it successfully. The two have had no adverse effects on the immune system, it all has been great news.<P>Im still looking into how primo is going to come into this. Im really unsure if I should stay on it or go off it, while I take the deca. The deca is number 1 in my book right now, I have only had two injections of primo, one was 100 mg for the week and the other was 150 for the last week. No side at all. Infact I feel batter than I ever have in my whole life. Its an incredible feeling. Im strong and have so much energy for the first time in years!<BR>I am not into orals, Im concerned with my condtion and for my liver as well. I feel Im on the safest two right now. I would have to do more research before I took anything orally.<P>99% of the shit has settled down, except for one dumb ignorant creep today telling others on the board I have AIDS and my husband wont have sex with me because he is afraid of me. Stuff like that is so ridiculous, I really dont have alot of patience when it comes to crap like that! It pisses me off. I am not dying of AIDS. LOL GOD!<BR>Needless to say I flamed his shrinking ass.<BR>MILLGIRL<BR>||209.255.160.143||reg||
Z||000007||WonderWoman||05-25-2000||02:32 PM||wonderwoman@thewirehouse.com||Glad to see your good attitude. Thanks to both you and Lobo for keeping me informed. IMHO skip the primo and go for deca. It seems to have all you need. At this point primo would just waste your money. Particularly since you're using minimal amounts. Seems like you'll be able to make any dosage adjustments easily from a vial as opposed to an amp.<BR>WW||204.131.210.1||reg||
Z||000008||MS||05-25-2000||05:11 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||I get Adipokinetix (from Syntrax)from Netrition, but I'm certain there are plenty of other places to but it from.  Some people also like MD6 (from Biotest) which you can also get on-line.<P>I'm not a "Pro" in the sense of a woman that makes a living out of being grossly muscular.   I'm a pro on this board thanks to my excessive number of posts.   I haven't used Deca, but I know one "real Pro" female who has/does use it with very good results and not too many sides (I don't have any photos of her, but will after her show at the Jan Tana in July). Of course, she uses lots of other stuff too-part of the profession I guess.<P>You won't find any human research using Equipoise because it's a vet steroid and is not approved for use in humans.  Better to stick with the Deca from that point of view.  There's plenty of anecdotal stories on the use of Equipoise from bodybuilders, and structurally it's very much like Deca. <P>And I think the answer to WarLobo's question about dosage is that it is common in trying to kick-start a flagging immune system to start out with larger doses, then taper down to maintenance. Anavar is good at preventing wasting, but not as good at immune stimulation.  Hope that clears up a few things for you millgirl.  <P>------------------<BR>The Mad Scientist<BR>||139.80.178.6||reg||
Z||000009||WarLobo||05-25-2000||07:03 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||Yah, the anavar is not used for the immune response, rather for it's ability to preserve and maintain the muscle in a less than perfect anabolic condition. <P>My real point on the anavar was that she might be able to get a legal script for it and this in turn would help her maintain the lower body fat.  And BTW, thanks for the education on why your trying to cut.... Shit, so much stuff we need to know, and more importantly SHOULD know about roids.  Damn medical community.  They need to get off their preformed seat cushions and start doing some ficking research!<P>Late<P>Lobo<P>p.s. 50mg of deca and 50mg of primo would do you fine to start with.<P>p.s.s.  One of the reasons I like deca so much is it's effect on the immune system.  Our bodies are under such great stress during a cycle.  You always seem to hear guys coming down with colds and such. Well, when we pound the crap out of ourselves in the gym and restrict our diets, something often gives and we get sick.  Not to mention I'm an old sob and need it for my joins  <IMG SRC="http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/wink.gif"><BR>||199.211.225.194||reg||