She is 21 years old, 5'10", 135lbs, pretty low bf% (I think). She has the faint outline of top abs and a little intercostal action going on. No big ass, nice body... whoa, calm down browndog, she's sleeping right now... anyways, she wants at least a 4-pack, and some delt/tri definition improvement.
Thanks for the help!!!
...bd||63.208.31.131||reg|| Z||000001||WarLobo||05-19-2000||10:59 AM||warlobo@operamail.com||Read up on my $3 bill thoughs on winny. If she is doing well on 50mg of primo then you can go to 100mg, just know she will most likley retain a bit more water.... No need to taper with women, they don't need to kick start test production like guys do. Keep it strait line and go for eight weeks.
If you do decide to go with winny start slow and KEEP an eye out for sides. Start with 2 tabs - keep the primo at 50mg if your going to and the winny. Do this for at least two weeks and you should be ok
Get much protein, rest, water (distilled), etc, etc, etc.
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Lobo||12.10.120.15||reg|| Z||000002||BigPappa||05-19-2000||12:43 PM||||Brown...
How long has she been on 50mg/week of Primo?
What have the gains been?
How much longer will she be on Primo?
Keep her at 10mg/day of winnie for 6 or 8 weeks min...then give her one sustanon and that's it for at least 10 weeks. The win/primo and sust. kick will put her on stage!||204.255.124.5||reg|| Z||000004||browndog1||05-19-2000||02:15 PM||||She did her week three primo shot on Monday, will increase primo to 100mg in weeks 4-5, then back to 50mg/week in weeks 6-8.
So WarLobo, you don't think I should have her go up to 100mg of the primo if she does the win tabs?? They are 2mg tabs, are you saying start her at only 4mg/day?? Thanks a lot ya'll.
...bd||63.208.30.49||reg|| Z||000005||WarLobo||05-19-2000||04:14 PM||warlobo@operamail.com||I am guessing this is her first cycle. And yes just two tabs. I really think that you need to be slow when going to A/S the first time. And I would hate to she her get any sides as your telling me she is in good shape right now. Some women can take VERY little gear and get some great results. Other can't. There is just no way to tell. That's why I like to start 'em out with just one roid and monitor how they respond. Then move to the next roid, and so on untill you start to stack.
Women are so much better suited to doing muliple cycles durning the year. Do one eight week, stop for four and kick it back in. I am slowly starting to believe they never really have to come off. I mean why? They don't really produce test, don't have nuts to shrink up, and use such small amouts that I don't think there is any problem with receptors. Hey, just thinking out loud on this....
What I would do is to keep with the primo, then you know how it works in her. Notch it up to 100 and keep an eye out for any effects - good and bad.
Then next cycle use the winny by itself. See how it does.
LAte
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Z||000006||browndog1||05-20-2000||03:17 PM||||When she started the Primo at 50mg/week three weeks ago, she weighed 128lbs, today she weighed in at 137lbs!! Is this water or muscle or what?? She doesn't look fat or a lot more ripped except in the tricep region. She definetely wants to do the winstrol tabs right now, with this cycle. I've got a friend who is getting them to me cheap, so she figures a couple tabs a day won't hurt. We'll be looking out for sides (thanks WarLobo)--which ones will present themselves first?? Hoarseness of voice?? Clitoral enlargement? How long should she take the 4mg/day of the Winstrol tabs? Continue them past the end of the 8 weeks of Primo??
Thanks a lot...bd||63.208.205.229||reg||
Z||000007||browndog1||05-22-2000||08:26 PM||||Cone on guys, read this and help me out.
...bd||205.188.200.157||reg|| Z||000008||MS||05-22-2000||09:25 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||I think it is foolish to increase her primo (she's already making gains on 50mg per wek) AND add 2 tabs of Winstrol per day. Do one or the other. Be safe. Some of the weight gain could be water, especially if she's not taking care to keep sodium down in her diet. But some of it is also certainly muscle. Can't say if she's gained any fat as well. Geesh! She's already gained 9 lbs in 3 weeks. Be very happy.
Generally women will experience swelling/increased clitoral sensitivity as one of the first sides. This is usually followed soon after by a coarsening of the voice, which often starts out more as an unstable voice (sorta like a boy in early puberty). The clitoral swelling and sensitivity often disappears after she goes off, but voice changes can be permanent. If mild she may just sound nice and 'husky'. She should continue taking whatever (Primo and/or winstrol) as long as she avoids sides and hasn't reached her goal. You haven't told us why she's taking the A/S (bulking/cutting/strength/increased libido!).
As WarLobo said, there's no good reason to taper up and down with women. Just find the minimum amount that gives results and stick with it for the cycle.
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Z||000009||browndog1||05-22-2000||11:50 PM||||to answer a few questions i figured i would reply myself rather than my boyfriend. the real reason i started to use the primo and am now thinking about the winny is for personal body satisifaction. a girl i know took winny tabs and after about three weeks there was a noticable difference. i know she works out a lot and her body looks great. honestly, if my boy was not into the whole scene i never would have even thought to do anything, but what can i do now. i am happy and it seems to give me drive, so far without any sides. the whole 9 lb gain isn't so great, but it is not noticable and i think thing will turn out good.
if anyone has any advice let me know. i want to be safe and feel good about what i am doing. thanks||63.208.206.40||reg||
Z||000010||WarLobo||05-23-2000||10:51 AM||warlobo@operamail.com||There is where Lobo lights a small flame...
So you have no plan....
You don't think 9 lbs. in three week is all that good....
And no goal....
This is not good. And exactly why bad things happen. First off not having a plan on what to take, how to take it and then sticking to it is just plain asking for trouble. My first indication was you were wanting to UP THE DOSE for what appeared to be no real reason.
Second, girl, a damn near 7% increase in body mass in three weeks is fricking HUGE. That's three pounds per week right off the bat. If you even continue at this pace by HALF and go eight weeks your looking at an additional 7.5 fricking pounds for a total of 16! What are you expecting??? I go nuts if I can get a solid 20 and I'm 230.
Last. No goal. Very bad. So this means your not training for a specific look/result/event.
I only know of two women on this board who are not "causal" users. By that I mean they compete and have the potential to actually make some money at it. (Cept they never post much :p ) The rest of us (myself included) should never over step the line for potential permanents side just to get a few extra pounds of muscle.
OK, I'm done.
Late
Lobo
p.s. We also want you to be safe and feel good about what your doning.||12.10.120.15||reg|| Z||000011||browndog1||05-24-2000||12:20 AM||||i think i might have put things wrong... i have a plan... to get in the best possible shape i can and build my body up so that once i finish the primo results will stay and i will continue to be pleased. i have absolutely no desire to do any more after this cycle. i am not a girl who wants to be a bodybuilder
the idea of the win came from a friend...the one i wrote about. i considered the idea because of the results i had seen and once i am out of the primo i wanted use the winny to loose a little of the water i feel i have gained. i wasn't sure if i cshould work the winny in towards the end of the primo though so i wanted to ask. the idea of a higher dosage came from by boyfriend. i think i am doing good so far so why change things.
i am sorry if i worded things wrong and some this for the wrong reason or that i doing things wrong. my cycle is in it's forth week and doing well. as far as the nine pounds they will come off, it is not a worry of mine. all i wanted was a little advice from others who are knowledged about the subject. if anyone can help PLEASE do. all i need is support.
thanks,
bdgirl
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Z||000012||WarLobo||05-25-2000||10:16 AM||warlobo@operamail.com||Ok... I'm back on decaf 
Your last e-mail and post gave me a much better idea of what your doing. Remember, we can only comment on the words in a post. Lots of times we tend to forget all the million other things that can be vital. Not to mention when two people post as the same person it can get rather confusing!
But onward!
As in previous posts, if your seeing some good gains, you don't need to add or stack. Very simple and easy 
Continue to take the 50mg and go for like 8 weeks.
Late
Lobo
||12.10.120.15||reg|| Z||000013||browndog1||05-26-2000||05:53 PM||||just a quick note to tell a little about my gains since i took my first shot.
today i worked bi's and i am so pumped. the first day i did bi's i could curl 5lb maybe 10's if i tried really hard and some spot help. today i curled 15's and a some 20's all alone in the gym while keeping good form.
tri's began with 5lb on some exercises, but not much more. earlier in the week worked up to 10's.
back, which by the way i love working out, gone from 30lb, than up to 40lb, now working on the 60lb's.
sholders i am just now starting to work on because i didn't think they were all that that important. stupid me right?
chest began with 10lb dumb bells on flat bench now up to 20's and 25's this week.
cardio is also improving really well. i am the type of person who absolutely hates running, but lately, need it be the primo or a mental thing, i love it. i cannot seem to get enough. normally i would run 2 mins and say forget it...today 15 min and still going strong. kinda wanted to do more, but the gym was 76 degrees and i thought i might melt and never be found.
the lines of muscles are starting to be more visable and i can actually feel muscles where i never thought they existed. no more weight gain since the beginning of the week either. i have not noticed any sides...a few small bumps on my chest, but that might be the fact that it is in the hight 90's here and 100% humidity.
just thought i would let you know how the progress is going. hopefully the next four weeks will bring even bigger gains.
maybe it is time to get my own username...you think???
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Z||000014||LadyJaye||05-26-2000||07:54 PM||suzannec1978@aol.com||Congratulations on those great gains!!! That is the best feeling when you start to see new muscle developing...I love that! Keep it up - what motivation!
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Z||000015||WonderWoman||05-27-2000||11:05 PM||wonderwoman@thewirehouse.com||As the saying goes...welcome my sister!!!
You go girl!! There is no feeling in the world like seeing progress everytime you touch a weight. Just wait till someone saunters up to you and says says, "WOW,what have you been doing, you look AWESOME!!"
After that they'll ask you about your program and watch what you're doing and start copying your routine. Keep up the good work.
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Z||000016||dirtyratt||05-28-2000||01:11 PM||twodirtyrats@hotmail.com||thanks-
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Z||000017||MS||05-28-2000||03:14 PM||mad.scientist55@hushmail.com||Welcome to the board as your own person dirtyratt. Hope you stay a while and share your experiences and knowledge with the rest of us. Thanks for the post.
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