A||N||7||Turk !||Novice needs help!!|||||| Z||000000||Turk !||02-18-2001||08:36 PM||chewyturk@hotmail.com||I'm doing Bill Phillips' "Body for Life" program, training hard and eating 5-6 meals a day (no junk food).
I'm 6 weeks in and not gaining much! The only thing i'm supplementing with is Myoplex because there's that much stuff out there I don't know which ones actually work and which ones just empty your wallet.
Is it worth taking Norabol and/or Andro-infusion from Mass-Quantities ($80 +$26 international postage!!) or should i just buy some Nitro-Tech from the health food shop?
Somebody please advise!

PS- I know 6 weeks isn't a long time and i'm not expecting the earth - just more gains - so please don't take ther piss !!!||62.254.0.7||reg|| Z||000001||danielson||02-18-2001||10:06 PM||||how much is not much at all. i was clueless when i started this all, so i had no idea what was good for gaining mass. i had to change my diet a lot, and my exercise routine before i saw some decent gains.

i usually go by how badly clothes fit me ||195.44.205.166||reg|| Z||000002||BSmooth||02-18-2001||11:09 PM||bsmooov@hotmail.com||IF YOU WANT TO BUILD MEGA MASS YOU NEED 3 MAIN SUPPLEMENTS:

NITRO TECH
CELL TECH
HYDROXYCUT


Just kidding. But seriously, what are your goals? To get ripped or to build more muscle? Sounds like you are trying to mainly build muscle. Tell me what your goals are and I'll give you some good advice...||65.2.153.18||reg|| Z||000003||chillin408||02-18-2001||11:27 PM||user8747869@aol.com||LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL||64.12.101.183||reg|| Z||000004||Hot Bod||02-19-2001||12:43 PM||fma@operamail.com||What are your goals? Are you just looking to get bigger? Are you lean already. That program is designed for people who are beginners, which you are, and they usually need to lose a ton of fat, while trying to build muscle.

The reason I ask this is, if you're already lean and just want to get bigger, that diet is kind of low in calories, and you need calories to make some gains, and have some energy to draw from.

Can you provide some details about yourself? Age, weight, approximate body fat (if you know) height, and how long you have been training? Don't be afraid to be honest. That's the only way you'll get the help you need. ||205.188.196.54||reg|| Z||000005||Turk !||02-19-2001||02:44 PM||chewyturk@hotmail.com||Thanks for replying guys, here's the info you wanted:

6 ft - medium build, not much fat (bit of a beer belly)
94 Kg - 30 yrs of age.
i've been training on and off for a couple of years but nothing serious. This is the first time i've given it a proper approach.
My goals were to build muscle and lose the fat, but now most of the fat has gone already, - so i just want to build serious mass!!||62.254.0.7||reg|| Z||000006||BSmooth||02-19-2001||04:40 PM||bsmooov@hotmail.com||Ok so you want to build mass.

The most important component is DIET.

First of all I would say bump your calories up to close to 4000 per day. Yes 4000. It may seem like a lot but just add some extra calories per meal. Are you already eating 5-7 small meals a day? If not, you should be. 5-7 small meals per day, spread out over the course of the day. Make protein your #1 priority. Dont worry too much about fat or carbohydrates. Just try and eat clean. If you dont know how to eat clean, just do some searches in the back logs. You will find plenty. Eat plenty of complex carbohydrates also. Don't eat empty calories like white bread or junk food. The cleaner you eat, the more of that 4000 calories will turn to muscle. ||65.2.153.18||reg|| Z||000007||johnny iron||02-20-2001||08:51 PM||john_sarge@hotmail.com||Turk, along with what the others have mentioned about diet, another important step is a good training program. If I remember correctly, Bill Phillips use to plug this low volume/high intensity program quite a bit. This same program is the one I first started bodybuilding with 5 years ago. Guess what? I made better gains in the last couple of years than I made in my first year. Usually your first year you get some really good gains, which I did (about 10 lbs), but, in the last two years I've added about 20 lbs and have become much leaner. Other than sticking to my diets, I train differently. I feel I do better with higher volume. Phillips had me scared to do anything more than 6 sets per bodypart, usually it was less than that. I also don't believe that a beginner can hit "total positive failure" like an experienced weight trainer. Now I know this doesn't answer your question, but your best bet is to first search the archives on different mass building diets, and search the web for different training programs. I personally like some of the training programs offered over at t-mag. There newer stuff I'm not crazy about, but the older stuff before Poliquin left was incredible. Also, some stuff by Ian King has worked well for me. Go to www.testosterone.net and search the archives for training programs. Search for diet advice on this forum. Take measurements, check your bodyfat so you can establish a baseline, and keep a log of your workouts. Myoplex is a good tasting MRP, so if you can afford it and you can stick with it fine. The only supplements I would add if I were you, would be some flax seed oil, an antioxidant pack, and some creatine. That should be more than enough for now. Don't spend your money on some of these ridiculous EAS supplements that are plugged, such as HMB or creatine/ribose combinations. Be consistent above all and post here for help. Also try to be very specific with your questions, otherwise you'll get these long, very general posts like this one. Good luck.||63.59.219.50||reg||