A||||45||Valdez||SUPPLEMENTS WORTH BUYING!! please participate by posting your 6 fav. supplements|||||| Z||000000||Valdez||11-20-2000||02:25 AM||||Please amend the list. (please do not list prohormones, I'm talking protein, MRP's, thermogenics here)

#1 www.bioplexnutrition.com (best tasting and cheapest protein, other good products too)
#2 www.proteinfactory.com (THE BEST SOURCE FOR PROTEIN POWDER ON THE INTERNET)

IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE
Here's the list:
1. Protein powder/ MRP's
2. Flax seed oil
3. Multivitamins, VitaminC, Calcium, B's etc
4. Zmass or Melotonin (sleep is important)
5. DMSO: joint health, as well as other uses
6. If needed: ECA stack. (with pure ephedrine HCI)

EVERYONE PLEASE LIST THE 6 SUPPLEMENTS THEY FEEL ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT!!! I don't think brand is the biggest issue here, but include it if you have found a really good product. Let us know

[This message has been edited by Valdez (edited November 20, 2000).]||63.11.210.7||reg|| Z||000001||MUSTANG_18||11-20-2000||08:28 AM||bgtpennington@dccnet.com||THE ONLY SUPPS THAT I HAVE HAD THAT I WOULD USE AGAIN ARE
1.L-GLUTAMINE
2.MRP-MYOPLEX, BECAUSE OF THE TASTE
3.PROTEIN POWDER
4.HOMEMADE ECA STACK, WORKS THE BEST
5.MULTI VITAMINE
6.CREATINE, USE WHEN BULKING

I AM TAKING ALL OF THESE RIGHT NOW EXEPT THE CREATINE, I AM CUTTING RIGHT NOW.

M18

[This message has been edited by MUSTANG_18 (edited November 20, 2000).]||216.13.187.236||reg|| Z||000002||rancid||11-20-2000||10:30 AM||||my favorites are as follows:

1. Whey protein
2. Good MRP ( muscle meals by muscle link )
3. L-glutamine
4. Flax seed oil
5. Good Multi-vitamin
6. Antioxidants||205.188.195.28||reg|| Z||000003||Boogieman||11-20-2000||10:32 AM||ytk2000@hushmail.com||Valdez, i really wouldn't consider the bioplexnutrition's protein to be cheap. I find a lot of reputable companys have cheaper 5 pounders than them.

Anyway, here's mine and currently using products from,

Whey Protein - Next nutrition/EAS
Glutamine - EAS
ZMA - Sports one
Creatine 6000 ES - Muscle Tech
Methoxyisoflavone - GEN
Amino Acid - Optimum nutrition


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Don't kick it till ya try it!||161.142.220.4||reg|| Z||000004||riskybiz007||11-20-2000||01:40 PM||riskybiz007@hotmail.com||1 Protein powder
2 Multivitamins
3 Antioxidants and ALA
4 Flax Seed Oil
5 Glutamine Peptides
6 Creatine
7 19 nordiol||205.188.198.37||reg|| Z||000005||MUSTANG_18||11-20-2000||02:37 PM||bgtpennington@dccnet.com||I SEE ALOT OF YOU LIKE FLAX SEED OIL. JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD USE IT WHILE YOU ARE IN A CUTTING PHASE ?

M18||216.13.187.236||reg|| Z||000006||celica||11-20-2000||03:18 PM||thlmail@bellsouth.net||1.L-Glutamine by prolab
2.Cytoplex MRP by cytodyne
3.Xomatropin by Maxam
4.Gaba by AST
5.Multivitamin by Prevail
6.Tribestan by Sopharma

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||209.214.150.159||reg|| Z||000007||Valdez||11-20-2000||05:01 PM||||I forgot to add creatine! oops,
bioplex was 17.99 for at 2lb container at my local supplement store, not the CHEAPEST but very good price considering quality. IMO

Jarrow's timed-release melotonin with magnesium and B-6 is VERY GOOD. best melotonin I've used.

Flax seed oil is a VERY good idea while cutting or bulking! YES!||63.23.199.157||reg|| Z||000008||Goin_Big||11-20-2000||11:21 PM||arrgon@yahoo.com||1.Chromium Picolinate
2.protein mix
3.creatine
4.alpha lipoic acid
5.vitamins a-z
6.glucosamine/chondroiton

try mixing 3 and 4 together *EVIL GRINS*

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It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. yea.....right||209.145.134.16||reg|| Z||000009||stevelax||11-20-2000||11:55 PM||sbamm1@aol.com||creatine
glutamine
BCAA's
water
whey protein
||205.188.200.157||reg|| Z||000010||Valdez||11-21-2000||05:59 AM||||we all are have chosen very basic supplements,

all resembling nutrients that food itself provides us with. It is my hypothesis that FOOD it self is the MOST anabolic stuff we put into our bodies... maybe all of us should be more concerned about what we purchase at SAFEWAY, or QFC, rather than our local supplement store... (If we aren't already!, just a thought)

??? I.M.O.||63.16.250.29||reg|| Z||000011||Testoman||11-21-2000||06:55 AM||jtestoman@aol.com||The Beast
The Beast
The Beast
The Beast
The Beast
The Beast

Bwahahahahahahahahah!

Seriously,
1. 4-Androstendiol (1000mg +)
2. Creatine
3. Protein (milk & egg will do)
4. Glutamine (20 g)

TestoMan||152.163.205.34||reg|| Z||000012||1||11-21-2000||09:27 AM||||Whey protein
Creatine with malto dextrin (powdered Powerade)
ALA or metformin
Vit. E (6000 iu)
Vit. C (6000 mg)
Zinc (150 mg)
Multi vitamin
Flax seed powder (cheaper than oil, you can buy the seeds and grind them up)
Melatonin

[This message has been edited by 1 (edited November 21, 2000).]||4.34.217.127||reg|| Z||000013||Romeo78||11-21-2000||10:11 AM||j50@aol.com||1.Whey Protein
2.L-Glutamine
3.Creatine
4.Multi-Vitamin
5.Flax Seed Oil
6.Saw Palmetto||205.188.198.41||reg|| Z||000014||decadon||11-21-2000||10:54 AM||||1.protein from proteinfactory.com
2.hemp oil from them too
3.syntrax thermos...adipo and lipo
tie 3.pyruvate from kilosports.com
5.glutamine peptides
6.ala from kilosports.com

not supplements but helpful
1.swiss miss with splenda to mix with protien
2.balance bars...the caramel ones ||152.163.197.184||reg|| Z||000015||kato||11-21-2000||12:21 PM||asianishi@hotmail.com||1. whey protein
2. glutamine
3. flax seed oil, soooooo underrated.
4. Creatine
5. multi-vitamins
6. water(probably the most important)

and a worth while supp to try is Syntrabol, by syntrax, this stuff is really good, its pretty expensive where i live but, it has an ingredient that enhances muscle recovery, unlike andro, this will work for every one aslong as your, diet, training, and rest is in order.||216.154.52.73||reg|| Z||000016||celica||11-21-2000||04:28 PM||thlmail@bellsouth.net||my stack is by far the best and most advanced

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||209.214.151.207||reg|| Z||000017||Testoman||11-21-2000||04:31 PM||jtestoman@aol.com||Wrong!!
My stack is the best!

I get twice the results with just 4 supps!!!

Haha!

TestoMan||205.188.198.171||reg|| Z||000018||juice18||11-21-2000||11:29 PM||done1810@aol.com||
1. Glutamine
2. MesoTech
3. PhosPhocreatine or CellTech
4. Ultimate orange tabs
5. N-large 2
6. Vitamins||24.4.254.165||reg|| Z||000019||HIT Bodybuilder||11-22-2000||07:59 PM||hitbodybuilder@aol.com||In order of importance.

1. Multivitamins, minerals and antioxidants
2. Muscle Link's Muscle Meals
3. Muscle Link's Pro Fusion
4. Udo's Choice EFA capsules
5. Muscle Link's Creatine Elite
6. Muscle Link's Anavol-R (Creatine)

As you can see, I am a Muscle Link freak. Muscle Meals and Pro Fusion doesn't taste bad at all. It doesn't have that nasty chalky aftertaste, it's kind of like drinking milk. I have used a lot of MRPs and I feel that Muscle Meals is the most complete MRP. Each serving has 11 grams of EFAs, 12 grams of carbs, 40 grams of protein (Micellar Casein, Whey Concentrate, Egg), it is fortified with vitamins and minerals and it has 10 grams of glutamine peptides per serving. What more do you need?

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Train Intensely, Infrequently and Briefly

Check out http://pub30.ezboard.com/bhitsgymofbodybuilding

-HB-||64.12.102.156||reg|| Z||000020||rdhdfmn||11-22-2000||09:38 PM||rdhdfmn@yahoo.com||what does flax seed oil do?||208.134.145.2||reg|| Z||000021||he-man||11-22-2000||10:55 PM||docbravo69@yahoo.com||Whey
Creatine
Glutamine
Multi-vit
Thermadrene
||205.188.193.172||reg|| Z||000022||Blackop||11-23-2000||01:06 PM||blackop@musclemail.com||1. Whey (Prolab)
2. Glutamine (Prolab)
3. Cycloroid (amazing thermo-andro) sports- one)
4. Methoxy (sublingual 600mg+)
5. Multi-Vit
6.Creatine (mixed feelings)
6. Syntrabol (syntrax- Great)

I've had great gains with this. throwing in the syntrabol really helps me get out of sticking point.

-Blackop

And as ignorant as Valdez wants to be, Prohormones are great if you find the one that reacts with your body well without bad sides (tons of acne). Thing is they wor, science has proved it and little 20yr old valdez thinks he's smarter than med school students and doctors. sorry fo any insults||216.127.217.113||reg|| Z||000023||kato||11-23-2000||02:19 PM||asianishi@hotmail.com||hey black top, what are your doseges like for syntrabol, when i was on them i realized that the more you take the better it works, like 6-8 pills a day instead of 3.

and for the person that asked what flax does, well im not so sure but ever since i started using flax my gains increased( i swear), im not quite sure what exactly it does but it helps with protein synthesis, and perhapes effects your nitragen balance, somone posted an article about this a few months ago, it was a good read, its probably gone now thow.||216.154.52.51||reg|| Z||000024||Valdez||11-23-2000||04:25 PM||||"And as ignorant as Valdez wants to be, Prohormones are great if you find the one that reacts with your body well without bad sides (tons of acne). Thing is they wor, science has proved it and little 20yr old valdez thinks he's smarter than med school students and doctors. sorry fo any insults"

#1. I didn't want prohormones to be included because they are in the same classification as steriods. they are supposed to raise testestorone, which they do but not effectively. steriods (prohormones included) is a different type of "supplement" and not one that I wanted in this thread.

#2. I also did not want to set the stage for supplement label propaganda.

#3. science has not proved that prohormones work in trained athletes (to my knowledge) the FDA is currently testing to see whether or not prohormones truly build muscles, and if they are proven to do so then they will be banned.

#4. don't try and flame me. I am a very valuble source of information on this board. it's no secret that I hate prohormones, but you don't have to take it personally. btw: I'm not little

||63.16.250.31||reg|| Z||000025||Valdez||11-24-2000||03:16 PM||||bump. everyone should respond!!! there is a damn good list so far, let's keep it going.||63.23.205.230||reg|| Z||000026||gymnyc||11-24-2000||06:46 PM||beretke@hotmail.com||always when u buy supplemenst look if the company produces it or not .
Some guys want to earn money quickly and they do not do research , they just order it by manufacturers from China , put in nice colored box and sell this shit for 50$.
THEY DO NOT DO RESEARCH , THEY JUST DOING MARKETING and copy another big supplements manufacturers!
I trust only in ASS ST , cause AST ST does research and produce supplements .

EAS just does marketing and put protein powder in nice boxes and sells on u guys

Be fanatic as I am
http://www.nycfanatic.com

||141.155.191.17||reg|| Z||000027||cackerot||11-24-2000||08:44 PM||cackerot@webtv.net||1.multivits, C, E, etc.
2.Amino acids
3.whey protein
4.creatine
5.ECA
||209.240.220.209||reg|| Z||000028||natch||11-24-2000||10:26 PM||||1)whey protein (musclemass.com or ast)
2)flax seed oil (barleans)
3)water (distilled, 1 gallon daily)
4)creatine (plain powder)
5)vitamins (3 grams c daily, 800iu e, multi with 1000% b complex)
6)gaba (gamma gh brand)

The barleans is the best tasting flax I've found and is worth the extra money.

By the way, I like ast's stuff for the most part but they do not produce in-house and sub-contract it out like most everybody else.

Did you guys know that weider makes most of the eas stuff, now? It's true.

Looking at lot #'s I've found that musclemass.com uses the same lab as ast for their gaba, etc. and costs less.||63.52.6.61||reg|| Z||000029||Valdez||11-25-2000||01:52 PM||||does gabba produce any calming effects (noticable effects?) I have found that kava kava doesn't really do much for me. ||63.23.202.212||reg|| Z||000030||KooL-AiD||11-25-2000||06:53 PM||kool_aid_0@hotmail.com||1- FooD
2- N-Large 2 (ProLab)
3- L-Glutamine (ProLab)
4- Creatine
5- Multi Vitamin


I am not up on flax seed oil.. Anyone know why u use it?||209.239.9.167||reg|| Z||000031||GOODYMAN||11-26-2000||10:25 AM||||1. Size Powder (Protein Factory)
2. Multivitamin (CQ10, ZMA, Vit C)
3. Glutamine Powder
4. Adipokinetix
5. AST Gaba (I'm with you Celica!)
6. MCT Oil
7. BCAA Fuel||198.185.22.25||reg|| Z||000032||johnny iron||11-26-2000||01:04 PM||john_sarge@hotmail.com||My current ones are:
1 Opti-pro meal by Optimum (chocholate)
A good MRP with 3 diff proteins and
aminogen.
2 Barleans flax oil
3 Super Antioxidants by Optimum, cheap
insurance
4 Optimums micronized creatine powder
5 Twinlabs Ultra Fuel fruit punch.
Simple and complex carbs mixed with my
MRP postworkout.

I picked Optimum for an MRP on price. Same with their creatine. I really don't believe in "wishfull thinking" supplements like the prohormones, HMB, methoxy, etc. I've tried most of them in the past without success. After my diet went in full force, the gains started.
||63.38.110.185||reg|| Z||000033||PeteyPete||11-28-2000||03:19 PM||peteypete@hushmail.com||1. CFM WHEY PROTEIN-Protein Factory
2. Half Malodextrin/Half CFM WHEY MRP-Protein Factory
3. Hemp Oil-Protein Factory
4. Creatine-Prolab German Grade
5. Multi-Vitamin

Overall, the best thing to take is FOOD, and massive quantities of it..if your not getting enough calories your not going to grow...simple as that..... Other than that..sust/deca/dbol/eq work well also ||24.189.137.73||reg|| Z||000034||Ripp3dMeat||12-01-2000||07:23 AM||||1) Creatine
2) MRP
3) Ripped fuel etc.. for boost
4) Protein powder
5) ZMA
6) vitamins
||212.105.59.11||reg|| Z||000035||bigbull||12-05-2000||06:27 PM||bigbull_rock@yahoo.com||1)N-large2 by Prolab

2)Creatine

3)ZMA

4)Multivitamins &antioxidants

5)L-Glutamine

6)Whey protein and lots of water

||199.228.142.5||reg|| Z||000036||Curious George||12-07-2000||11:58 AM||bcaa85@hotmail.com||1 and 1A) Whey protein and a whey casein mix
2) Flax seed oil
3) Multi-vitamin
4) l-Glutamine
5) Branch chain amino's
6) Vitamin C and some antioxidant's
||152.163.194.208||reg|| Z||000037||uberclerk||12-08-2000||02:27 PM||uberclerk@yahoo.com||1. Protein
currently use isopure (powder)
50g whey protein
4.67g L-Glutamine
more vitamins than my one-a-day

2. Zmass
** watch your calcium intake
could counter benefits

3. Creatine (8 weeks - three times a year)
currently using cell-tech
10g creatine monohydrate
200mg alpha lipoic acid

4. ECA Stack (8 weeks - twice a year)
currently using liquid clenbutrx
would also suggest xenadrine

I'll blend two scoops of vanilla isopure (3 is one serving) and two scoops of cell-tech after a workout with 12oz water and ice. Best damn tasting shake ever.

Eat well, drink lots of water, and get your sleep.

||198.76.118.173||reg|| Z||000038||Buld0g||12-10-2000||03:44 AM||buld0g@aol.com||• Multi vitamin
• ECA & MD6™ (switch every 2 weeks)
• Dandilion root
• Glutimine
• B-6
• Thyrolean™

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None Flash® version--> http://www.geocities.com/richmaffei/pages/home.html||172.162.175.144||reg|| Z||000039||MR UNIVERSE!||12-10-2000||08:47 PM||simon383@hotmail.com||IVE been taking JUST creatine for the last 8 months and have put on 7 kilograms, and most of it was muscle becaause i havent lost any size, though after about a month off it i noticed i look a lot more toned.

has anyone else had any results, is this standard gains you would expect from creatine.||203.10.110.131||reg|| Z||000040||SmackDown||12-11-2000||12:13 PM||fingstinker@aol.com||protien powder(lean body bec taste)
creatine when bulking
hydroxycut or xenedrine(when cutting or using for energy)
george forman grill is my fav supplement....lol
||152.163.213.191||reg|| Z||000041||RugbySheriff||12-12-2000||02:54 AM||sheriffben@aol.com||1. eca stack
2. Whey Protein
3. Centrum multiviatamins
4. H20
5. Creatine monohrydrate
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Keep on Ruckin!
||152.163.207.206||reg|| Z||000042||Reinaldo||12-12-2000||01:40 PM||||Those of you who want to know the benefits of Flaxseed oil, go and Check the "Flaxseed Oil" Topic.

Cheers||155.198.17.120||reg|| Z||000043||Tone||12-12-2000||09:57 PM|||| www.schwartzlabs.com has a awsome array of products i use them alot and they taste great
check it out if you want to try them e-mail me and i will give you my pin code for 30% off its really worth it. abecker@zoomtown.com||216.196.163.107||reg|| Z||000044||Valdez||12-12-2000||11:10 PM||valdez1999@hushmail.com||get out of my post advertiser, you think people at elite-fitness are blind you've made 7 posts and like 5 of them are telling us to check out some WHOOPIDIDOO SUPPLEMENT COMPANY!!!

and anyway, your supplements are all overpriced and we are probably not interested, GEORGE SPELLWIN is gonna get my money before you pal.

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||63.23.207.42||reg|| Z||000045||Sniperwolf||12-13-2000||01:54 AM||sniperwolf63@hotmail.com||Phosphagen-EAS
Protein Powder- Big Whey
ECA- Dymetadrene Xtreme (this stuff had me shaking-none of the others did including Xenadrine)
MRP's- EAS, Lebrada
Barleans flax oil
MCT fuel-Twinlab

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