vlaovic: stop spouting your pathetic lack of knowledge. you aren't even close.
||24.31.114.84||reg|| Z||000003||riskybiz007||08-05-2000||09:37 AM||riskybiz007@hotmail.com||look man i did do a search, i know that the BCAA are 3 amino acids that are linked together, and they supposseably go directly into your muscle, help build muscle and help prevent catabolism. BUT that was not my question. My question is if anyone has found these useful or basically do they really work? I don't want to buy some crap like HMB that doesn't work, so i want some feedback. So to make a long story short, i just want to know if they've helped anyone or if they actually work.... period.||152.163.204.179||reg|| Z||000004||GetHuge||08-14-2000||04:00 PM||||Most people I know use them when dieting by taking them before a workout and before morning cardio to help prevent muscle breakdown, even when not dieting, some people take them before a workout to help prevent the ammino acid stores in their muscle from being tapped into for energy during an intense workout, thus reducing catabolism.||169.207.228.194||reg|| Z||000005||wrlord||08-17-2000||04:27 PM||wrlord2000@aol.com||Cataboilism???!!! Gimme a break, BCAA's are NOT a fuel source, despite Twinlab calling EVRYTHING fuel.||204.247.168.116||reg||7 Z||000006||vlaovic||08-17-2000||05:10 PM||vvlaovic@hotmail.com||BCAA's can and do act as a fuel source during weight training:
"They [BCAA's] also supply 10-20% of your high-intensity-workout energy." Fred Hatfield
"Dr. Mauro DiPasquale: Branched chains work similarly. They work well during your workout.
Nelson Montana: You'd think that it would make sense to have protein available while under stress, but a lot of people look at protein just for repair when resting. The thinking is that only carbs and fat are used during exercise.
Dr. Mauro DiPasquale: That's bullshit!"
d1734, you are a rude and ignorant individual. Here is a copy of a nutritional facts list from TwinLab's 2000mg Amino Fuel tablets:
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 1 Tablets
Servings per Container: 150
Amount Per Serving %Daily
Value*
Aspartic Acid 230 mg.
L-Valine 106 mg.
L-Histidine 28 mg.
L-Carnitine 10 mg.
L-Tyrosine 74 mg.
L-Alanine 88 mg.
L-Arginine 56 mg.
L-Cystine 40 mg.
L-Glutamic Acid 338 mg.
Glycine 36 mg.
L-Isoleucine 102 mg.
L-Leucine 258 mg.
L-Lysine 188 mg.
L-Methionine 44 mg.
L-Phenylalanine 72 mg.
L-Proline 102 mg.
L-Serine 96 mg.
L-Threonine 106 mg.
L-Tryptophan 40 mg.
*Percentage daily values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
**Daily Value not established
If you can read, you will see there is 0.258g leucine, 0.102g isoleucine, and 0.106g valine per serving.
Now, here is a copy of the amino acid profile from a container of Prolab whey:
L-Alanine 4.80 g.
L-Arginine 2.30 g.
L-Aspartic acid 10.20 g.
L-Cystine 1.20 g.
L-Glutamic Acid 17.20 g.
L-Glycine 2 g.
L-Histidine 1.60 g.
L-Isoleucine 8.40 g.
L-Leucine 10.50 g.
L-Lysine 9.10 g.
L-Methionine 1.60 g.
L-Phenylalanine 3.10 g.
L-Proline 6.10 g.
L-Serine 5.20 g.
L-Threonine 6.20 g.
L-Tryptophan 2.10 g.
L-Tyrosine 2.40 g.
L-Valine 6 g.
You will notice that both products - both the amino acid pill and the whey protein powder - have the three BCAA's. Only in different quantities. So tell me, how is my statement so "far off"? How is taking a smaller amount of quality whey protein that much different from supplementing with aminos? Even if you took the 3 BCAA's seperately, how would that give you different results than just taking them together?
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Z||000007||vlaovic||08-17-2000||05:31 PM||vvlaovic@hotmail.com||One more thing, I've read some of risky's other posts. In those posts, I've never seen him say anything that wasn't accurate or knowledgable, and unlike you, I've never seen him be an asshole. While my reply to his question probably wasn't what he was looking for, it was my brief opinion on the supplementation of BCAA's, since I looked into purchasing them myself not long ago, but was advised by both people who used them and those who sell them that taking whey protein in their place would give a very similar effect.
There was really no need for your comments. You read the title of riskybiz's post. If it din't interest you and you had no intention of saying something uselful, why did you even go into it? Who are you to call people lazy or pathetic?
You're not a fuckin' moderator so don't tell people what questions to post and what not to post. ||207.161.227.109||reg||8
Z||000008||d1734||08-17-2000||06:32 PM||d1734@yahoo.com||the reason i said what i did is because whey protein and BCAA are totally different. you essentially said BCAA and whey are one in the same.
BCAA is only leucine, isoleucine, and valine. whey is, as you stated, a source of protein that has almost all of the amino acids. if you take a 36g serving of BCAA, it should be 12g of each of the 3 BCAAs. i do agree that if you are consuming large quantities of whey, BCAA is probably unneccessary due to the high BCAA content found in whey. however, they are still vastly different and not at all the same product as you seemed to imply.
and as a reply to your last post, the original comparison was between whey and BCAA. why are you bringing amino acid tabs into the discussion? i never said a word about amino acid tabs.
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Z||000009||riskybiz007||08-17-2000||09:23 PM||riskybiz007@hotmail.com||D17 we've had our share of flames to eachother in the anabolic boards, and i guess you became quiet when u found out how really smart i was. right? whatever the case may be i don't care. Whatever.... But i would like to say thanks to VLAO which is because of people like him, and myself who come here with questions and help others out as well, that's what the boards are all about. Not people who are anxious to hold others back or act like the allmighty powerful knowledgeable one...
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Z||000010||vlaovic||08-17-2000||11:41 PM||vvlaovic@hotmail.com||Exactly! The same thoughts I had, riskybiz.
And D17, just because I wasn't very specific in what I said in my original post doesn't give you the right to refer to my knowledge as a "pathetic lack there of". The "theme" of my post was that supplementing free-form BCAA's would not have a very different effect from obtaining them through whey. While I probably shouldn't have said that they are basically the same thing, I meant to say that consuming them would elicit basically the same effect. Sometimes on these boards, you feel like dropping a quick opinion and you forget to type a word or two that you meant to say. Instead of asking me exactly what I meant, or just saying whatever it is you had to say about BCAA's, you instead began to flame me and harass riskybiz about posting the topic in the first place.
Why did I bring amino acid tabs into the discussion? Because the vast majority of people who are after BCAA's consume them in this manner. And at the end of that post, I still asked, how would it be different if you took ONLY the BCAA's, without all other amino acids.
The point is BCAA's give you the same fucking results whether you get them as free form amino acids, amino tabs or whey protein. You're getting your leucine, isoleucine and valine either way!
Anyway, since I'm on this board to help people, and get help from others, not fight, I am ending this post with the sincere hope that you too will use Elitefitness as a means of sharing opinion, experience and information, not an outlet for personal insults. And as for my lack of knowledge, I would love to know why people, some of whom aren't even active participants on Elitefitness, e-mail me asking for advice based on my posts, take my advice and then thank me because it works.
Just my final thoughts on this matter, which as far as I am concerned is over and done with.
||207.161.227.109||reg||14 Z||000011||d1734||08-18-2000||12:37 PM||d1734@yahoo.com||riskybiz: that post was totally unneccessary and makes me think you are very insecure about your intelligence. i could sit here spouting off what my IQ test scores have been, but i will refrain. i don't feel the need to brag on the internet. most people will at least exaggerate in some way their stats, intelligence, etc. so whatever, i'm not going to get involved in that BS.
vlaovic: same thing, you already flamed me in your first reply. i think the second time was a bit over the top, and shows a lack of maturity. we all have our bad days, and if you noticed, most of my flames came on the same day. i have been helpful, check some of my posts. good for you that people email you for help. if someone wants mine i'd be glad to help out.
i will also add that i don't believe most people turn to amino pills for their source of BCAAs. if they do it shows a lack of understanding of what exactly the BCAAs are. if you want BCAAs, by a powder that is just BCAAs. simple as that.
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