i know this, i was taking two of his so called winny tabs per day, thats right, 100mg winny per day, and i left them under my tongue till nothing was there, and i didn't gain or notice anything, and im no rookie, i've done winny two other times one at 50mg per day and one at 50mg EOD, both with success(injection). The way i look at this stuff, if there is so much controversy, why waste your money, just get the real thing?