well my good freind on the West Coast is taking his first cycle of GT products. This freind was all about QV. Anyway long story short he said this stuff rocks. He is seeing vascualrity and hardness and has put on about 10 lean pounds. Think he has been on about 4 1/2 weeks. He did mention he has sore nipples so he added some Nolvadex. he said no pain with or after injections and gives it two thumbs up.