1st proper cycle

[druncanwaria]

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i am
6ft (180cm)
87kg (191lbs)
22 yrs old
will be doing-
Weeks 1-8 250mgs of sustanon
Weeks 1-4 20mgs of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - everyday




somebody helped me with my PCT and they said it should go like this:

>>Weeks 9-11 1000ius M/W/F<<<<
Weeks 9-14 20mgs nolvadex ED

can someone explain weeks 9-11 to me? can anyone help me out or give me a better suggestion?
much appreciated dudes and duddettes

[Mr.X]

what were your cycles like before this? and why exactly do you want to do a cycle? looks like you have a lot of room for natural growth.

[mphowells]

what bf% are you?

[druncanwaria]

Well thats the funny part i was taking testosterone propionate and testosterone enanthate dont even know amounts my mate just said 1ml testosterone enanthate with 2ml testosterone propionate every 3rdday and handed me some dodgy looking vials.
saw great results but did not even know what PCT was

In a ED time consuming job at the moment and cant be ED waiting for natural growth.
Was training for 4 days a week for 2 yrs then had a period of about 7 months where id be traing on averge 3 times a fortnight
Been training now 4-5 days a week for an hour a day for the last month


in a security/law enforcement role where size deffinately helps in de escalation

[druncanwaria]

Quote posted by mphowells what bf% are you?

I dont know and dont know how to find out

[druncanwaria]

somebody just emailed me this... the guy is a head and i tend to believe nothing he says... can anyone shed some light?

Firstly, you will lose most of the gains you put on with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . It'll make
you big and strong quickly, but most of the weight you will put on will be
fluid in the form of water retention.
You're only running a low dose cycle, so an aromatase inhibitor (Aromatise inhibitor) is not
necessary Product is Arimidex.
So while you're on cycle you're going to put on a lot of water with the
test combinations. (Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and Sustanon).
I'm just letting you know that you'll prob keep half of the weight you put
on while on cycle. Because of the compounds you're using these's no
avoidiing this. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
I would have stacked deca100 or 200 with the sustanon. This would provide
better high quality gains and despite the extra cost I would have run an aromatase inhibitor
to control any estrogen post cycle.

What it looks like he means for wk's 9-11 is HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - -This stimulates the
gonadotropins and produces leutinising hormone(Makes your balls begin
producing test again)
1000ui is the dosage advised.
Frequency is eod (Every other day) M,W,F,S,Tue, etc until 2 wk's are up.
20mg nolva is the right dose. He's got you going for 6 wk's. I probably
would have run the nolva for 4 wk's, but each to their own. This won't hurt
you.

A lot of people love HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and swear by it, however I don't like it for the
following reasons.
While on cycle, your balls are gonna shrink. HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - will fix this, but they're
small due to lack of blood flow to the area due to artificial test being
introduced into the body (Sustanon, etc) This will fix itself as your balls
start producing their own testosterone again. This can only happen when
artificial test levels are lower than natural levels.
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - floods the body with a hit of hormones, including estrogen, and as
soon as you stop with the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . The stimulated testosterone levels are gonna
drop, and estrogen will be the dominant hormone-Resulting in increased fat
deposits and loss of gains.
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - was designed as a fertility drug, so it does stimulate gomads, but it d
esensitizes the leydig cells to your bodies own lh - leutenizing hormone - production, making it so
that the hypothalmus and pituitary can be fully recovered and functioning
normal, but the testicula axis is still suppressed, due to it's failure to
respond sufficiently to your own lh - leutenizing hormone - production.
Subsequently, I suggest a taper off cycle.


weeks1-4 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 20 mg/day
1-8 sustanon 250mg
9-12 100mg test enanthate (1 shot per wk to stabilise test levels as
sustanon filters out of your system (Natural test should be about 150?) so
this will allow for a gradual taper)
13-14 50mg test enanthate.
1-12 arimidex .5mg/day
13- arimidex .5mg/Every other day
14-16 -arimidex .25mg/Every other day

I've added arimidex as an aromatase inhibitor to control estrogen build up-Could use nolva,
but this works better-Is way cheaper though.

This way as artificial test levels fall below normal your body pick up the
slack and begins readjusting to producing test. It's a gradual thing,
rather than throwing you in the deep end.

[Ulter]

Quote posted by druncanwaria somebody just emailed me this... the guy is a head and i tend to believe nothing he says... can anyone shed some light?

Most of it right. The short time you use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - will probably not have the affects he's talking about with your leydig cells.
He's saying, I believe, that he's using nolva with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - which is a mistake.
I suggest you use AIFM throughout your cycle and PCT. Use the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - for the last ten days of your cycle at 1000iu/day. He's right about losing a lot of water weight when you're done as well.

[Apexx]

Well smack my ass and call me Shirley, but I think it's a great cycle for you.
My only suggestion is to stretch it out to 10 months. There shouldn't be much bloat because the dosages are on the low side. So the idea of you losing half of what you gain I think is a big stretch. You could add in the adex to minimize ANY potential water retention, but once again, with those doses you shouldn't need to.
I doubt you would even need the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . Better safe then sorry though.

[druncanwaria]

Quote posted by Apexx Well smack my ass and call me Shirley, but I think it's a great cycle for you. My only suggestion is to stretch it out to 10 months. There shouldn't be much bloat because the dosages are on the low side. So the idea of you losing half of what you gain I think is a big stretch. You could add in the adex to minimize ANY potential water retention, but once again, with those doses you shouldn't need to. I doubt you would even need the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . Better safe then sorry though.

so are you saying the original one at the start of the thread or the 2nd one i have in there?