posted February 01, 2000 11:34 PM            

Look why don't you try and open you're own gym, and make it yours!

posted February 01, 2000 11:40 PM            

Jon

posted February 01, 2000 11:48 PM            

The problem is that the mainstreams ideas, based on commercially profitable ventures, sees the fringe of their new culture as a threat. This fringe which attracted people in the first place now threatens the profits of the gym industry they have created. Most people want to see and be trained by what they see as attainable and unfortunately for most people they dont have the genetics or discipline to make real progress in the gym. So gym owners in some instances try to go with trainers whose physiques are more attainable- for the average person.

remember what the average person is5'9 and 160 lbs for a man at 12-16% bodyfat- thats pretty sad. And think of how sad guys like this get when they go to the gym and there are posters of people, who may have had some help, whose genetics and discipline were far superior. This makes them angry because after a while they realize that they will never attain that kind of physique- gym owners dont want angry clients. they want happy clients who are not asking for new or better equipment and pay on time or even better for five years in advance. They like the memeber who if the bench press machine is broken they will take it as holiday and go home. They want people who want to pay exorbitant trainers fees for a glorified babysitter- who with their 12hr fitness certification from 24hr fitness -are ill prepared to deal with real clients.
hell now i am just ranting
I guess my best advice is to change gyms- equipment is important
but a good and productive atmosphere can turn even a weak gym into training holy ground.

posted February 02, 2000 12:18 AM            

Just because you are a freak of nature (unlike average guys like me), it doesn't give you the right to bust on guys who do not have the God given genetics that you were blessed with. I out-lift most guys at my gym in strict poundage, and out-lift the rest pound for pound (body weight). Therefore, I refuse to let you call me some kind of loser who dreams of being a monster like you, (for example).
I am not 160 anymore, but your words are still insulting. Please do not use sweeping statements unless you are omnipotent (which I know you are not).

If you didn't mean it that way, then Whoops!

Peace Bro,
Jon

posted February 02, 2000 12:32 AM            

I MEANT NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE WHO TRAINS WITH DEDICATION AND INTENSITY. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF GUYS WHO START OUT AT LIGHTER WIEGHTS CAN HAVE BETTER PHYSIQUES THAN HEAVIER GUYS. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON DOES NOT TRAIN WITH DEDICATION NOR INTENSITY- NOR DO THEY TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING- IT IS THESE GUYS WHO WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE TAKE THAT PLUNGE INTO THEIR FIRST CYCLE TEND TO GIVE ANABOLICS A BAD NAME.
IT IS PEOPLE LIKE THIS WHO KNOW NOTHING OR NEXT TO NOTHING ABOUT THE SPORT NOR THE KIND OF TIME AND DEDICATION THAT IT TAKES FOR MOST PEOPLE TO HAVE A GOOD PHYSIQUE.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE MAINSTREAM WHO AFTER THEIR FAILURE VILIFY BODYBUILDERS AND MAKE CLAIMS LIKE "ITS ALL STEROIDS"

AS ALWAYS
PEACE

posted February 02, 2000 12:36 AM            

Your point is well taken.

posted February 02, 2000 12:45 AM            

I feel your pain as I am often looked at if not treated the same way. But several good points were made in that thread.

It is true that the gym owner can do whatever they damn well please or see fit to help them earn a living.

It is true that we are the "fringe element" of gym use.

And it is true that our presence in a gym creates insecurity among other members. Thta's why they say thingslike, "It's all roids", when in reality it is dedication and intensity before all else. But the average clown in the gym doesn't have either of those, they say,"it's all roids".

Open your own gym X, or even better just block out the bullshit and stay dedicated to the thing you love: bodybuilding.

Good luck

posted February 02, 2000 01:47 AM            

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tray renfro?!?!
gotta cumm up

posted February 02, 2000 11:16 AM            

Late

posted February 02, 2000 11:29 AM           

I am an Aerospace Engineer working for the military stress group on airplane mods of commercial aircraft. I sit around 22 year old engineers who got the physique of an over ripe pear. You wanna talk about jelousy and accusations.

I think it is discrimination, bagging on those who are the physically fit, prime specimens of the human race. I lend it to envy, those who wish they had what we have.

posted February 02, 2000 12:10 PM           

The people who say negative things about us are the same people who are prone to taking steroids and not working out enough or eating enough to produce gains. Afterwards they claim they're hardgainers or some other BS.

I hear that so much in the gym that I've started confronting people about it. You'd be amazed at how humble and sweet people become when you get in their face and tell them how much you sympathize for the smaller guys in the gym.

posted February 02, 2000 12:22 PM            

I finally fixed the owner by roping in my girlfriend to train with us. She has got probably one of the hottest bodies in this town. She used to train alone, now she is happy to train with guys that are there to train just as seriously as she is. No one bothers her anymore, she trains harder and the best of all... the owner had to swallow his own words when new members started asking him to help them look like us!

posted February 02, 2000 03:03 PM            

Unfortunately, there are a few "muscleheads" out there that also give the rest of the "bigger prople" a bad name. I hear it all the time. They come up to me and make comments like, "geez, she's so fat that she'll need two treadmills to walk on". And then you have the guys that won't allow anyone to work in with them, but will sit on a bench for 30 minutes trying to get psyched so they can lift the weight. That really pisses me off, and I see the frustration in the faces of someone who is trying to make an effort to improve themselves but is not able to since they have no where to train.

One thing that I do which I think is really hilarious is that when some dudes think they are the shit do that, I will usually interrupt them and ask if they are done with the weights. They will ask me if I need the bar stripped, and I say no, that I will just warm up with that and do it. I usually don't see them around much after that. Granted, we're not talking about a lot of weight here.

The reasons stated is why I train at several gyms. One is a hardcore gym, where if you piss somebody off in there, they start throwing 45lb plates at you, and the owner just laughs. The other is a gym that has all the "neon" lights and the bath oils at the counter. Just depends on my mood.

posted February 02, 2000 03:58 PM            

I AGREE WITH MOST OF THE RESPONSES AND AM GLAD TO HAVE YOU ALL AS BRETHREN!

posted February 02, 2000 04:46 PM            

If this still bothers you, the next time some un-dedicated, average sized, un-fit jerk gievs you the "it's all steroids look", just think to yourself, "at least I don't look like you".

Good luck,