Posted by RZ on January 29, 1997 at 15:37:38:
In Reply to: Re: Some medical advices... posted by Dr L on January 29, 1997 at 12:36:20:
: : : : I'm a french specialist in andropause treatement and i have discovered
: : : : this site while i was searching for some information about US steroid
: : : : I have read a lot of message on this site and i don't want to waste my and your time to
: : : : try to warm you about the danger related to the use of AS.
: : : : I'm against the use of steroid for healthy male or female
: : : : As a phycisian i would like to give you some advices for gaining lean mass without
: : : : danger.
: : : : First: you have to know your hormonal profile
: : : : For a healthy man between 20 and 25 yo here is a normal profile
: : : : LH 2-5 mUI/ml
: : : : FSH 2-5 mUI/ml
: : : : Male hormone:
: : : : Testosterone 800-1000mg%/ml
: : : : Dihydrotestosterone 100mg...
: : : : female hormone:
: : : : Oestradiol 20 pg%/ml
: : : : Oestrone 40-60 pg%/ml
: : : : As many andrologists I have noticed some links between hormonal profiles and
: : : : body characteristics which could help you
: : : : Typically -(1) men with light bones, fatty body, narrow shoulder, wide hip (usually
: : : : below mean genitals) have likely to have a poor profile even when they are young
: : : : -(2) Athletic men, well balanced, muscular , (normal genitals) have a normal profile
: : : : -(3) Men who are taller than wide, often skim or thin (usually beyond mean genitals)
: : : : have a good hormonal profile
: : : : That is what we can see in our medical office and which is often confirmed by
: : : : hormonal screenings
: : : : For (1) a supplementation is (medically) required for a normal life otherwise the body is likely
: : : : to get old early
: : : : For (2) a supplementation can be (medically) required after 40-45yo or before for
: : : : gaining lean mass
: : : : For (3) If the thyroid is doing well ,they don't need chemical aid only to
: : : : improve their nutrition and probably to meet a psychologist if their sexe drive is
: : : : low or not sufficient.
: : : : I assume you are of the type (2) and you want to gain mass
: : : : I you are less than 20 yo it's stupid to take any drugs, I will give you further
: : : : some tips you should know to have a natural boost.
: : : : I have used since years with several hundred patients a lot of different drugs.
: : : : As many physicians i'have found that the safest mean to increase lean mass
: : : : (or testosterone levels) is to use mesterolone (oral).
: : : : It's not the most efficient in term of speed but you can keep to take it during five
: : : : years without halting:
: : : : -I have never noticed any trouble with liver: no transaminase, no biluribine increases,
: : : : - It does not interact with hypophyse
: : : : -It does not produce by metabolisation any female hormones (no gynecomasties)
: : : : As control you need to check your LH level it should be between 0.5 and 1.5
: : : : under 0.5 it means than your own testosterone production is stopped which is stupid
: : : : because you can add your natural testo and the exogenes one if you begin slightly.
: : : : In fact the aim for a several months or years supplementation strategy is to shift
: : : : the balance of your testosterone level to higher level :when testo increases, LH decreases
: : : : and when LH increases testo decreases (LH of 15 gives about 600 ng of testo which is low)
: : : : If you increase your testosterone level to quickly you will shut down your own testo
: : : : production which is not productive. And it's when your body is unbalanced than
: : : : side effects may appears. Don't forget than you want to increase lean mass and
: : : : not water retention ! That's why some people say that when you stop, you lose all
: : : : because in a cycle of 10 weeks you have not enough time to take as much lean mass
: : : : as you could. Only water and a few mass. With a 6 months treatment you increase
: : : : slightly your testosterone levels , your body has enough time to adjust its other
: : : : hormonals levels and then your body don't need to decrease the sensitivity of its hormonal
: : : : receptors to cope with the stress of a high soar and you can gain muscle steady.
: : : : Another drug which is interesting is undecanoate of testosterone but it's not
: : : : as safe as the previous because (it acts on hypophyse...) It's totally harmless to correct
: : : : insufficient testo levels but not to increase testo for healthy male. But it's more
: : : : harmless than others AS. Of course never use you 17 alpha methyltestosterone.
: : : : Don't use AS for animals. Don't forget that when your liver begin to have touble
: : : : it means than 2/3 is already destroyed !.
: : : : Don't use H-GH it's efficient (few) only for old male and dangerous
: : : : Don't use IGF-1,nobody knows really what is it.
: : : : Don't run with the Devil: DO NOT USE INSULIN please
: : : : You can increase your testosterone level with zinc, vit E/C and with good
: : : : quality of life and few stress. Practice sport without overtraining, with
: : : : short and intense activities. Have sex(ejaculation) 3 (at least) a weeks , especcially
: : : : the night before a day with workout. Excitation/frustration increase testosterone levels,
: : : : an abstinence of 2 or 3 day can be useful.
: : : : Well i will come back on this site to see your message and if you had any question.
: : : : Sorry for my english
: : : :
: : : Hi, Doc
: : Here are the true facts: yes, mesterolon is safe,
: : but it has no anabolic activity! And if it did,
: : it would loose its anabolic activity within about
: : 6 weeks, like all oral roids. So taking it for
: : 5 years straight is useless.
: : Zinc, vita C/ E will just normalize test levels
: : if there is a shortage of this. I recommend you
: : to study some more literature! CU, OJ
: Zinc don't just normalize test levels, it improves
: the balance between testo and DHTesto and increase
: the rate testo/DhTesto.
: You can use Mesterolone in a lot of different way
: Ask to the US swimmers (male and female) or Aus swimmers if it doesn't work !
: Of course whith high dose of any AS you can gain muscle
: Have you ever noticed that only sports amateur have problem with doping side effects ?
: Because there are no medical team to advice them they need to take high dose
: to see some results and then side effects appears !
: Some of my patient has gained 20kg in one year of mesterolone
: Meet some clinical physician instead of believieng guru of steroids who have mainly
: read medical literature. AS are not magic , it's not new, i don't
: earn any money by selling drugs, i have no interest to make bought AS in big quantities
Would adding some mild dosages of Oxandrolone to Provirion add
any benefits? i.e. possibe gain of significant strenght