Posted by Animal on March 28, 1997 at 17:54:52:
In Reply to: Yo C-DUB posted by Another Jeff on March 28, 1997 at 13:27:14:
: Guess it pays to read the whole page before answering posts. Stick with Animal's
: clomid/test advice. Could also consider cyclofenil if you cant get clomid. It will
: elevate test but you dont get any anti-estrogen benefit like with clomid. Could also
: try the Androstene nasal, sublingual or injection for higher test levels. I have never
: gotten that great a result with clen, but some of the guys here love it. The jury is
: still out on tribulis tribestan I am still hot on the trail of the original studies
: referred to in my exchange with PA below. It will supposedly also raise your test
: levels. The clomid, cyclofenil, tribestan? will not screw up your test ratios and
: androstene will only if administered within approximately 4 hours of the test.
: I have heard that you can elevate your Natural GH with l-dopa, Hydergine or piracetam
: but I have never tried them. I dont believe any of the natural "GH releasers" really
: work so dont get suckered.
: On the natural side- please remember that most supplements are pure rippoff bullshit
: products that only take your money and that most supplement scammers will fry in a
: special spot in hell......
: Now having said that, here is what I would recommend:
: Creatine- In spite of the purse jokes around here, I put on 15 pounds of lean mass and
: increased my squat from 365 for 6-8 to 455 for 6-8 over a 2 month period. I take with
: grape juice in AM, 45 mins before workout and with my post workout recovery shake. The
: purse joke refers to how often you have to take it. Buy a Kilo from a reputable company
: that has a rep to uphold- not a fly-by-nite no name operation. Dont buy EAS cuz we're all
: pissed at 'um.
: There is some research that vit "C" 3000-5000 per day, cytadren (oops this is a drug),
: and phosphatidyl serine will inhibit the exercise induced cortisol spike- some combo
: may be slightly helpful for an edge but not like real drugs. John Natural also said
: a product called "nsaid" will help with this.
: CAE stack- Definitely will help strength, energy and is slightly anti-catabolic. Will
: also burn fat. Take saw palmetto/pygeum/zinc if prostate irritation occurrs. If you are
: already a coffee drinker and somewhat immune to coffee try adding canned grapefruit
: juice and green tea to the stack. Canned juice has more narinjinins (sp?)Is ephedrine
: banned/tested?
: Eat high protein- try whey for the extra glutamine although soy may have some anti-
: estrogen properties.
: Train HIT/Heavy Duty emphasize recovery if you're not a steroid cycle (You guys on roids
: that train everyday are scratchin yer heads at this I know)
: Good luck dude-
: AJ
Good post AJ. Nature boy I think was refering to stuff like naprosyn, ibuprofen, etc. (non-steroidal anti-inflamatory drugs). Bromcriptine also stimulate GH as does GHB! I would take anything before L-dopa. piracetam sucks. Anarchy in the USA!