I've been bulking naturally since Sept or so - weight and bf has gone up but I feel really good, been having some great strength gains and my upper body (which stays pretty lean anyway) has definately been growing. Now I want to get the fat off me without sacrificing all the hard earned muscle. I'm at about 18-19%bf right now - I'd like to get down to the 12-14% range. Last summer I was at the 15-16% range and looked pretty good. I want more.

For training: I'm doing light to moderate cardio 3x/week (2 30m sessions, 1 60m) on heavy lifting weeks, 5x/week (4 30m/1 60m)on light lifting weeks. Weekends are totally off for rest.

Nutrition: Calories are 2000-2300 range (and treat days of course). Approx 200-220g protein, 200g carbs (from whole grains, beans etc minimal flour) 40g fat. I've upped my potassium intake and added milk thistle for good measure. And of course mega water.

I'll keep you all posted on progress and how I'm feeling. I'll have pics later too.

I am sure your goals will be met! YOU GO GURL!

I know you will have no problems reaching your goal, you are very dedicated.

Good luck to you.

Oral winny tabs.

Never tried SAMe...Arty do you know what would be a good recommended dose? I've weighed and measured food for so long I can eyeball a 4oz chicken breast from 10 feet away! LOL. I periodically will weigh/measure...I'm trying to let go of being so anal about it.

I keep a food journal and exercise journal. Periodically I'll figure up intake values for food - most of the time I'm right on target. Getting a handle on diet has been an enormous step for me. Its hard for me to believe I've been eating "right" for over a year now. Not to say I don't have chaotic days but thats life I guess.

Trinity - yes I've joined the Darrrrrkkkkk Siddddeee...(kidding).

Curiosity and knowledge got the best of me.

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Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit.
Well done is better than well said.

Also, are how long are you running each, or is there another post of yours where you discuss this?

Here's an approximation of what's happening in your body.

Option A: Inject 25 mg EOD.....

At time zero, you have 25 mg slowly releasing from the injection site. At 24 hours you still have around 12.5 mg slowly releasing from the injection, and at 48 hours you take your next injection and have 25mg plus around 6mg from the first injection.

Option B: Gulp down 25mg orals EOD (which is only equal to 18-19 mg)

At time zero you have 19 mg dumping into your blood stream, passing throught the liver in a large bolus, causing liver stress. 9 hours later you have 9mg still floating around, 18 hours later only 5mg, and by the end of the first 24 hours you have around 2-3mg left in your system. Most of your second day you are spending with virtually no winny in your system.

Live and learn...sometimes you don't know the questions to ask until you are already doing it.

Thanks for all the ideas MS...I'll give it a try.

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LAte

Also tried "drinking" winstrol yesterday. That was okay...today I'm trying sublinqual (under the tongue). I like that better as I lean towards homeopathic stuff anyway.

I did get some SAMe. (interesting that its marketed as a joint supp) Does anyone know if its worth my time to take both SAMe and milk thistle? Say the SAMe in the morning with vits and the milk thistle in the eve with minerals?

So I feel terrific - spirits are up, skin is clear and I'm feeling just a bit tighter if that makes any sense.

Today I went through some old pics and pulled out various thin (starving) and heavy ones from the last 10 yrs. It made me so sad - I look at the pics and I'm smiling in them and I know how miserable I was. I'll post those along with the current ones when I finish the cycle.

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Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit.
Well done is better than well said.

Are you now taking 12.5 mg ed??? Dividing that up into 2 seperate doses?