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July 22, 2002
Dear friend and fellow athlete,
By now, many of you have probably heard of the tragic death of EliteFitness.com Discussion Board participant Eric Perrin, who posted under the alias "YoungNHugeGuns." BusinessWeek magazine contacted us last week regarding his death and the sale of drugs on the Internet. Mr. Peter Elstrom from BusinessWeek is writing an article about EliteFitness.com for their publication. Please find here our initial response to his questions about the EliteFitness.com site and Eric Perrin. We will keep you informed as this story develops. BusinessWeek has a circulation of about 1 million. Please click here to discuss this weeks Elite Fitness News.
Yours in sport,
George Spellwin
Mr. Peter Elstrom
BusinessWeek
2 Penn Plaza
New York NY 10121
July 22, 2002
Dear Mr. Elstrom,
Based on the conversations you have had with my staff, it is my understanding that BusinessWeek magazine has decided to feature EliteFitness.com in an article that you are writing. We appreciate your interest in the EliteFitness.com site and are flattered that you have chosen to profile us.
However, it is also my understanding that your interest in EliteFitness.com stems largely from the unfortunate death of Eric Perrin, one of the participants on our discussion forums. I am writing to you because we would like to correct any possible misperceptions that you may have about the EliteFitness.com site and to help you with your article.
Since 1996, EliteFitness.com has been the Internet destination for people who want to live outside of the American Medical Associations idea of good health for the "Average American." No one at EliteFitness.com wants to be average. We want to be above average in every sense of the word. We do not aspire to have the level of health of the "Average American," we want to be healthier than the "Average American." We want optimal health, not average health and we are willing to look at alternative means to achieve it.
I created this site so that anyone interested could discuss ways to be better than average i.e. stronger, leaner, healthier, and more energized. In essence, our members want to look and feel better than well.
EliteFitness.com has always been proud to encourage an uncensored discussion of radical diet, exercise, training, supplementation, pharmacology, and anabolic steroids. And to that effect, we provide our members with discussion forums, live chat, instant messaging, encrypted email addresses, and free web sites, along with articles and lifestyle features like classifieds and dating.
EliteFitness.com is home to 100,000 subscribers. We have over 33,000 active participants on our discussion forums, and 40,000 daily visitors look at a half million pages every day. We also maintain the largest searchable archive of bodybuilding, health, and fitness information on the Net containing well over a million pages.
EliteFitness.com has always prohibited the sale of pharmaceuticals on our site and we have always prohibited solicitations for the purchase of pharmaceuticals. Our member-selected, discussion board moderators are instructed to delete advertisements and solicitations of any sort. And by and large, our community of members provides informed, sane advice while discouraging recklessness.
We are firm believers in freedom of choice and believe that an individual should have the right to enhance his body as he sees fit. But with any decision comes consequences. So our hope is that someone making the personal decision to investigate radical health and fitness will use all of the tools that our site provides to educate himself and make an informed decision.
Regarding Eric Perrin, we believe his untimely death is a tragedy and we feel great sympathy for his family. We became aware that Eric Perrin frequented our site and participated in our discussion forums under the alias "YoungNHugeGuns" from the FDA's investigation of his death. The FDA's investigation centered around Perrin's use of 2,4-Dinitrophenol or DNP.
DNP is classified as an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation," and was used in diet pills in the 1930s, but was banned for this use in 1938. Medically, DNP is quite dangerous. The body has no negative feedback system that may deal with overdoses. Specifically, there is no upper limit to the increase in body temperature that may be obtained with DNP's use.
While the pharmacology of 2,4-Dinitrophenol is discussed on our site, the community forums and chat rooms provided by EliteFitness.com where pharmacology is discussed is certainly not responsible for Perrin's use or misuse of DNP. Perrin was no victim.
One can begin to understand what caused Perrin's death by reading the postings that Perrin made on our site collectively. Upon review of his postings, one realizes that Perrin was a disturbed recreational drug user with very poor self-esteem. He had a polypharmacological approach to his recreational drug use and experimented with a great many substances. In fact, Perrin's postings indicate that he used ecstasy, speed, GHB, crystal methamphetamine, Xanax, Valium, anabolic steroids, and Accutane. While it is certainly plausible that something as thermogenic and toxic as DNP contributed to his death, I believe that the blame for his death lies squarely on Perrin's own shoulders and the kamikaze drug use that was a part of his lifestyle.
Our members and moderators have never encouraged recklessness. There is no doubt in my mind that had Perrin asked the members of our forum or his doctor how DNP would react in someone using ecstasy, speed, GHB, crystal methamphetamine, Xanax, Valium, anabolic steroids, and Accutane, he would have been warned to stay as far away from the stuff as possible. Unfortunately, Perrin never posed this question.
A sample of Perrin's postings and the associated links follow this letter.
As mentioned above, we appreciate the interest you and BusinessWeek have taken in EliteFitness.com. As an unbiased journalist writing for an unbiased publication, I hope that you will be impartial when writing your article. I also hope that you will respect the privacy of my staff. I am the spokesman for the EliteFitness.com site, and you are free to quote this and our subsequent correspondences. However, out of concern for our staff's privacy, we would appreciate your not printing their names in your article.
Just as you believe that your readers will be interested in Eric Perrin's story, so too do we believe that our members are interested in the story and in BusinessWeek's treatment of the EliteFitness.com site. In the interest of fairness and transparency, we plan to publish this letter and our account of the interactions between you, BusinessWeek, and our company. And we will link to the article you ultimately publish. In that regard, our members and I would appreciate some background on your interest in the EliteFitness.com site. We would appreciate your sending us answers to the following questions:
What made you decide to write about us?
What are you hoping to convey to your readers?
What is your relationship to the Perrin family?
How did you learn of Perrin's death?
How is the EliteFitness.com site and Eric Perrin's death germane to your
publications goals and objectives?
When will your article appear in BusinessWeek?
We look forward to your response.
Very truly yours,
George Spellwin
Cc: Bob Arnold
EDITOR-IN-CHIEF
BusinessWeek
Discussion Forum Postings
In the discussion forum thread titled, "Partying while bodybuilding…" A member with the alias, "Mad Max" posed the following question (unedited):
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Mad Max Who finds it hard to party while maintaing a good body? i feel
my training and diet has to be perfect if I want to go play in the
clubs. I always say I won't do anything at the club but once i'm
exposed to the enviroment and music I can't help but get CRAZY.
But I refuse to give up going out because I workout to show it off
and be proud of my work. It's like a catck 22. Anyone else think
its a pain to try and balance the two together?? |
Perrin posting as "YoungNHugeGuns" replied,
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YoungNHugeGuns Yeah, that's the idea -- you train so you can be big when you go out to the clubs, but going out will seize some of the gains! It's like taking 10 steps forward and then 1 step back. Well worth it in the end. Because other than going out, there's really no reason to train. Unless you are a complete narcissist and love to stare at yourself in the mirror all day. And a well balanced life will put you in a better mindset for everything else, including training. So you might not even be sacrificing anything for your body in the long term. It can't hurt to take precautions. Always drink a lot of water
if you plan on doing anything speedy (esp. x). Speed and dehydration
is the recipe for quick catabolism. I've lost five pounds in one
night! |
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In this thread Perrin discusses his use of Accutane and anabolic steroids.
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YoungNHugeGuns I doubt it. I just did a deca only cyle while on Accutane and gained 15 pounds. I don't thnk Accutane has anything to do with the hormones -- it just closes up the sebaceous glands so they don't get filled with oil. Your friend might have misconstrued the recommendation not to do Accutane with any of the liver-toxic sterods, because Accutane does affect the liver. Deca and eq, for example, don't affect the liver at all. Test does a little bit, so if you do test, watch the dosages. Stay away from the a-17 steroids, such as Winny and any of the orals, which will seriously fuck up your liver, especially in combination with Accutane. There's no reason you have to have an acne all over your back just
because you want to get huge. Accutane works wonders. |
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More postings about his steroid use.
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YoungNHugeGuns My lot numbers on the box and vial do not match. They are off by one. It expires November 2004. It seems doubtful that if the product was discontinued two years ago, that it would expire in 2004. This issue can probably be investigated further. You can write another letter to Taro and ask that. If we get the answer to this, then it is case closed. I just did a cycle of this test and deca. I gained size, about 15 pounds (I was doing 800 mg/week deca). People noticed and commented, but not in the way they notice when I do test. The test muscles make me look HUGE, and EVERYONE will make a comment about it. Yet, somehow, they have a different feel than normal muscles, like kinda watery, like a balloon. I'm still pretty convinced that the test was fake. I'm pretty pissed about it, and also about the fact that I learned that my Brovel Deca was probably very underdosed. I put a ton of effort into fine tuning to my training regimen during this cycle, and I could have gained a lot more. Fuck counterfeits! Buy Ttokkyo's only! |
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In the thread titled "Alternative to GHB!!!" Member "Benzi" posted,
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Benzi |
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YoungNHugeGuns replied You could try http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach...e/1085/HGH.html
. I especially recommend the rejoov. It tastes great too, unlike
GHB. |
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Here Perrin posts about his experience with methamphetamine
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YoungNHugeGuns Crystal -- the good and the bad. The good -- euphoric high; intense focus, attention, and energy; keener senses. For bodybuilding -- revs up metabolism big time, so it can burn a lot of fat, as long as the protein is kept high. The bad -- physical addiction; severe depression when crashing. For bodybuilding -- serious loss of muscle mass if you do not stay HYDRATED. Catabolic effect is exaggerated when you do not get sleep because you too stimulated (give yourself at least 7 hours before you plan on falling asleep). If you drink water, you'll be ok. As long as your friend is truly moderate about his consumption, and he doesn't get too depressed when he comes off it, he will have no problem. And yes, he will get ripped too. |
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click here to view the entire collection of Perrin's postings.
Yours in sport,
George Spellwin
Before DRUGS RULED the Sport of Bodybuilding ...Who would not kill to have the rock-hard, muscular physique of some of the top bodybuilders of yesterday?
Yesterday's bodybuilders had amazing physiques and... |  Vic Seipke circa 1950 |
They Earned Them!
With
all their training knowledge, imagine what they could do if they had
access to today's drugs. And Imagine the massive, ripped, muscular body
you could build if you knew all their training secrets... 
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